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why is there religion involved in the pledge of allegiance?

America is supposed to be a country in where we have freedom of religion but then in the pledge of allegiance it says: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And saying it at school is almost compulsory. where is the liberty and freedom there?

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"Under God" was actually added to the pledge of allegiance in 1942, by fundamentalists, and those concerned with the "Christian Right" in politics.

You do not need to say it, but it doesn't exactly promote freedom FROM religion, does it?

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Sure it does. You have the freedom to not say "under god". People that don't believe in a god still have the right to believe that. Try saying that in any other country. Like I said in my answer, our money says in god we trust. I never hear people complaining about that or refusing to use it.
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Right you are.. Thanks for giving the facts
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You can hear me now complaining about that
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Maria, explain why. How does this offend you. If you don't believe in any god then how does the word offend you. Your god could be a rice crispy treat or a rock you found or a turtle that you saw at the zoo. It doesn't have to mean anything specific.
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It is "God" capitalized, clearly making it the Christian god, not gods, not Allah. And it is part of the official pledge to our country. It is optional to say, under the 1st Amendment, but that does not mean that it should be added to the pledge of allegiance.
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Bu my god is not a rice crispy treat. I just don't have a god. NO GOD.
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Me too, mariamembil. Apparently we don't count for anything, even though atheists are the 3rd leading "belief" in the U.S. and the world.
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Is it god capitalized, or did a religious printer do it that way? If I say the word god, is it GOD or god. My point is that anything could be your god. I'm getting confused between this thread and mine. God doesn't mean a certain god, especially if you don't believe. The person that wrote the pledge believed in a god. He wrote it into the pledge. Instead of focusing on the god part, try thinking about the rest of the pledge and what it actually means. Maybe then the phrase with god in it will be lessened by your realization on what you are actually saying.
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I say the entire thing "in God we trust" in all. It makes no difference in the meaning. I'm talking about certain people imposing their beliefs on others.
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Like I said somewhere on here. My religion is a beer in my hand and sitting down to watch football on Sunday.
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I don't see any church officials walking around to see what denomination people are while reciting the pledge of allegiance.
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It's a pledge. Of allegiance. To this country. "One nation, under god(never stated which one you believe in) and liberty and justice for all.
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Right now my god is my bed and I'm going to church.
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There's no such thing a freedom "from" religion in America. That's just the way some people want to re-word it. God does not apply only to Christians. It doesn't say "under Jesus".
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Ok, freedom of religion. Yesterday I founded a religion with no god. Now what?
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Because we were founded on Christian Grounds.

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Actually we were founded on the right to not have religion thrust upon us.
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It's showing our pride, I'm Christian but I still say it. In some religions people won't say it

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So... do Christians no longer consider Pride to be a mortal sin?
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Pride in ourselves, not our nation. If we have pride in our selves it's sinful because then we'll think we're doing everything the right way. If we get too full of our selves, we'll think that we could be God himself. But that's not going to happen
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How does saying "under god" show pride of my country?
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Because it's showing how God is involved in our country.
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Yeah, it shows that we now truth and try to be Christ like. Any more questions?
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Nope, but thanks:)
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Okay. I was serious about the questions. This addressed to anyone- ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
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Because the founding fathers were Christian.

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The founding fathers did not include it in the original version. It was added later.
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I'm saying that Christianity has always been an important part of our country. America is and has always been a very religious and Christian country compared to others.
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What about people that are not Christian?
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What about them?
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They don't matter in this country?
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No. Of course other religions matter but 80% of Americans were Christian in 2012. Christianity obviously has the larger effect.
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80%? That sounds like a lot...
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Isn't God big enough to represent more than one religion?

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Thank you arabbit!
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What if you don't believe in god?
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Then don't say it.
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If you want to worship your god, you can do it at you home or at church but why having to say it at school? That's not teaching children that they can believe in whatever they want
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I don't think that you're forced to say "God". If you are, take it up with your school administrator..I'm not forcing you or even asking you to do anything. I merely stated my opinion, I'm entitled to that, right?
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Yeah, I'm just debating sweetheart. But if you got offended I'm sorry.
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And you didn't get my point. No, I don't have to say "god" but if children hear it everyday, that influences them in the way they think.
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You're disappointed because I didn't give the answer that you wanted? I took the time to answer your question and you're going interrogate me because it doesn't line up with your beliefs? Maybe you should have answered your own question, then only your opinion would be represented.
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No, I didn't get your "point". I answered your question. Your question had nothing to do with children hearing it. Maybe you should learn to structure your questions to get the answers that you want. You mentioned NOTHING about indoctrination in your question. You asked a question to try and bring attention to yourself, you'll get no more from me.
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I wasted my time answering a question from you, I won't waste my time arguing with you.
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Again. I'm debating. I want to hear more about their opinions and hear what they have to say about mine.
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I agree that it just says "God" doesn't specify which one. I prefer that to "Supreme Being". If you don't want to say it then don't; however don't knock my right to say it. It is a two way street. The choice to say it or not say it should be done at home
As a teenager from another country I did not want to say the pledge, however I did show respect while it was being said. Now as U.S. citizen I more than willingly say say it. Again this discussion should be in a family setting with open discussion about beliefs.between parents and children.
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Very well said 144iamme. I agree 100% that it should begin at home.
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god doesn't just put it as one religion soooo yeh

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But it does make it religious, regardless of which religion.
Isn't that offensive to people who are atheists?
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People are saying "freedom from religion". Wasn't it freedom OF religion that this country was founded upon?
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So you are saying that we cannot be atheists in America...
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wickedpissah
Same thing. See: Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
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Apparently, we atheists are the last group that it is generally considered socially acceptable to discriminate against.
Lovely.
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no you guys just like to feel like you are always being discriminated against..
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You can be anything that you want to be in America. I don't judge people for being atheist, I don't even judge people who judge me for not being an atheist. No two people are going to have the same opinion on everything, we all have to be able to respect the opinions of others..just my opinion.
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Wickedpissah, I can't speak for everyone, but I'd never discriminate against you for believing differently than me, I respect your ability to state your opinion, to me, that's what America is about. I consider you a friend, regardless of the fact that we don't agree on everything.
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I get that people believe in god and I respect it. But that wasn't my question.
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Mariemebel, I wasn't answering your question. I answered the question of the OP and I commented on wickedpissahs comment.
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Mariamembel, I could care less what you are in America.
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If you do not believe in God, than don't say that line.

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Our money also says in god we trust. If you have a problem with god the pledge of allegiance then you shouldn't be using the country's currency.

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I don't think I should stop using the money. I think they shouldn't make money that says that
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I think people that don't believe in a certain god, myself included, should just not care.
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well, the real, real truth there is one and only one God. Our father of our country and other presidents believed in one God and were mainly christians :)

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Sooo... What about people that are not Christians?
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The founding fathers believed in God. That said, the term "God" in the pledge of allegiance is not defined. It could be Jehova, or Allah, or Vishnu, or any interpretation of the word the individual may wish to place on it. There is no establishment of an official religion, as per the Constitution.

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But, regardless of which religion, it IS an establishment of religion, and therefore unconstitutional.
Right?
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My religion is sitting in my recliner on Sunday afternoons watching football and drinking beer. God is the sportsbook and I'll pray that I cover the spread. The term god is different for everybody. You have the option of not saying the line during the pledge. Can't it just be left at that?
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The Constitution doesn't forbid religion, just the establishment of an official religion.
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Correct. Absolutely. I agree 100%.
The Constitution does not forbid religion at all, just the establishment of religion.
The government is not permitted to endorse any one particular set of beliefs above any others.
The Pledge of Allegiance is a national Pledge. It is sanctioned by the government. The US Congress opens every session with the Pledge.
By including the words "... under God..." the Pledge is, in fact, ENDORSING religion.
It is saying that you are not an American unless you agree that there is such thing as a deity, and that you accept that that deity is in supreme command of this land.
Many would say, and have said, "well just ignore it", or "well just don't say those two words".
Well, I don't say those two words when I say the Pledge.
BUT. Millions of young children, with impressionable young minds, hear and recite that Pledge every day & every year.
They become psychologically conditioned into hearing "under God" and may come to accept a falsity. They learn to equate our Nation with a particular God, in the same way that Ivan Pavlov taught dogs to equate a bell with food.
Operant conditioning is no basis for a system of government.
Operant conditioning does not create a generation of independent-thinking adults, it creates a generation of obedient drones.
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I LOVED what you said @wickedpissah
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I certainly didn't. Falsity? I'm sorry you think that way because if right now you died, you would see God, but you wouldn't be able to stay with Him, you would die the second death.......forever separated from Him. I'm G L A D American children say "Under God" because then they at least have a slight spark of truth in their minds in this God-hating and unbelieving society. Our nation's leaders NEVER ONCE SAID that you aren't American if you don't say that, so here you are assuming. We actually ARE UNDER GOD. He is the only one superlative to us. We are all equal. The only difference between us is our souls. We are all sinners-- but some of us are sinners save by God's grace. He loves you, mister!! He loves you as if you were the only human He created! You may not believe in Him, but oh golly, he sure believes in YOU! In fact Jesus (God's Son, if you didn't know) thought you were to die for, and He did die for you. He took ALL of the bad things you ever did, are doing, or are going to do on his shoulders along with mine and the rest of this world's. But He did it for you and COMPLETELY out of love. You are so precious to Him! God has a plan and a purpose for you and He's not finished with you. Don't waste it. :)
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Because our country was founded by Christians, but It was added later. If you have a problem, don't say it.

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Officially, that line should be kept in there; even in a country of free religion there needs to be a leader. But personally, you don't need to say that line.

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We have a leader. We elect a leader every four years on the first Tuesday in November.
And his (or her) name should not be in the Pledge either.
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We have a leader, our president.
I know that I don't need to say it but having to hear it everyday doesn't promote free religion, right?
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I wonder how many Christians would be offended if we changed it to "one nation, under Allah".
I bet they'd suddenly decide to keep religion out of the Pledge.
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I like how you think wickedpissah
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Thank you.
I'm a bit of an acquired taste.
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If you two want to debate, please let me speak for myself.
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You two may believe the only leader necessary is the president but I believe God needs to be supreme; this is where my "There needs to be a leader" statement comes in. It's impossible to have every belief at an officially equal level, so one needs to be supreme. I believe that supreme leader should be God.
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Sorry, Marcus, but America is not, never has been, and never will be a theocracy.
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Ok, those are your believes. You think there is a supreme leader but not everyone thinks like you. So why is it in the pledge of allegiance? Just because some people thought the way you do?
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Wicked - I think 'theocracy' refers to a people who force religion. If that's the case, you're right. What we have been is a Christian country.
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Maria - Pardon but I thought I already explained that. If "under God" were taken out of the pledge of allegiance, that would be an officially atheist act. So now I'll ask you the same thing you just asked me. See what I mean? There needs to be an ultimate belief.
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I don't know how to answer your question (I have the thoughts in my head but I can't explain them) so I'll just give you an example: in France you can't show any religion in a public place (such as schools). Muslim girls cannot cover their hair, you cannot pray in the lunch room... And that doesn't make them atheists. People can still be religious. And I can see how you can debate my point by saying that America is the opposite way. We can show religion in public and then be atheists in private. I hope it makes sense because my English is not perfect. But that's the way I think.
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It makes grammatical sense but I fail to see your point. Can you provide one, please?
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Summary: practise your religion at your home
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Maria - That goes back to my point: there's always an ultimate official belief. In the case you presented, atheism is dominant.
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Yeah, I totally see your point. Thanks for answering:)
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Wow, you have a very open mind. Good for you!
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Thanks I guess haha
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'You guess'? It was purely meant to be a compliment. Did I say something wrong? Is this not the right context for such a compliment? :(
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Yeah, it was a really good compliment and thank you very much for it:) but I was surprised because even though I try to think I am, lately I've found a lot of people thinking the opposite. Thanks again, you really made my day!:)
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Everyone gets insulted even when they don't deserve it. That's why we have to learn to identify pure meanness and not let it affect us. :)
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You are so nice:)
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I saw on your profile that you have synesthesia. Is it ok if I ask you what is it?:)
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Sure, Maria! It's a condition that mixes my perceptions. I hear touch from my skin and vision my eyes.
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I'm off to bed. If you have anything else to say, feel free to comment now and I'll check the notification tomorrow. Goodnight!
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I think it expresses freedom of religion, another group of people would see it as offensive if it did not include something like that. You aren't required to say that part, if any at all. Freedom of religion is not a requirement of a lack of religion

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It's not lack of religion. You can still worship your god at your home or church but why promoting religion to children at school?
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Why promote a lack of religion? It's your own choice what you wish to believe, and again, you do not have to take part in it if you don't want to
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I don't think my six years old sister can really choose to say or not say it. Of course, she has. But it's not easy for a little kid to do things different that others and being "weird".
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Have you considered the possibility that she may be different from you?
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Oh of course. In fact, she is religious. But I don't think every children is and they would have the same problem I was talking about.
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Mentioning God in the Pledge of Allegiance doesn't assign you to a faith if you don't want one, I do think teachers should remind students that when, and if, they talk about the Pledge.
I don't know everything about it, but there are people that are more knowledgeable about it than either of us, so I think it's best to let a lot of things be settled by them, the good ol' folks who understand it! (Or just argue about it all day and settle on a compromise)
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Name what religion is being prompted at school when they say under God.
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Whatever God you may worship...
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I'm not part of any religion, but if some want to say it, or even put it on the flag, I don't care , it doesn't infringe on my freedom.By adding what I don't require, no ones taking away that which I do.I believe in a creator, I also believe there's many roads to heaven and hell, although none of them are shortcuts."one religion is as good as the rest.!".

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So imagine that it says: blacks shouldn't exist. That doesn't affect them but it's not right either
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My point is religion is not part of my agenda. Civil rights is. Racism was not part of the question, it was about religion. Stop reaching.
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Religion is part of some people's agenda
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But yeah, that's your opinion and that's fine. I just want to hear what other people have to say about it.
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Keep in mind, I don't speak for the people.
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It's not infringing on your freedom. You have the right not to say it. You have freedom of religion not religion from it. It mentioned Buddha or Ala would you have a problem with it? Probably not.

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*Not freedom from religion.
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What religion is involved with the pledge of allegiance. It's not like the Church of England we don't have a state religion. Your upset with two words under God in the pledge. With what's going on there is a lot more to worry about than that at the moment.

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this is something to think about. But i dont worry about it, im not even american. I was just interested in it. You can say "there are more things to worry about" when people ask here about boyfriends or how to do their hair (you shouldn't either because this is the appropriate place to ask about it).
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Which religion is in the pledge?

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