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who's fault is it really that man is cursed? adam, eve, or the Devil, or all three?;)

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It's God's fault for putting only two humans on earth to create the population that exists today.....there's been a whole lot of sister-brother lovin goin on for quite some time....

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but after that was Noah..remember that how many disobeyed Him..
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It is just Gods plan, how could we say something when we understand so less of His wisdom..His Love
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The flood happened some Tim after Adam and Eve, when the earth was completely populated
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Yes.....and where did Noah and them all come from then.......
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Noah were found worthy in some ways to God
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The fact of the matter is, that according to the Bible, all life on earth began with Adam and Eve.....regardless of floods and all that jazz, the first two humans on earth were Adam and Eve, thus any humans after that were products of in-ce-st.....
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yes exactly nafta. Adam and Eve were indeed the first two human beings, but not the only ones ;)
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My point exactly
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But the bible says they were the first, so they had to be related, right? So we are all the product of incest, but don't worry -- the laws about incestuous relationships came afterwards.
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During The Time of Adam
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You.

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All of them, if you think about it

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Adam

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cursed? nah its just the way it is

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snake, but eve was too and adam - they all showed unrespect to God.
It is my foult too, i showed unrespect to God and i tempt God in my mind, so me too.
But snake new God and tempted eve...like maybe not knew because he i think though wrong of God, but he was being close to God somehow and God was blessing this angel before he fall

I think problem is that they all didn't fear God as they should, because the wisdom is to fear Him, for me it is wisdom always.

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no idea, i don't really believe in any of them, but i suppose it would depend.

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The serpent, he's the one who convinced Eve to eat it. So I guess the Devil

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People are not cursed. There is no talking snake. That was a creation myth aimed at small children to learn obedience to elders. Why adults or anybody over 8 believes them literally is beyond me!

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We believe these things because it is our faith. Don't attack people for what the believe in.
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It's because we have faith.
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Creation myths are education tools used by each culture to educate small children to understand who they are and for them to recognize other groups as being 'other.' They are MYTHS. If you are thirteen, you have covered role of myths in at least two cultures. Having faith should not eliminate your ability to understand this.
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I hate when people call what I believe myths and fairy tales
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Yeah, me to. To us they aren't myths, they are actual events. I'm sorry you don't agree but that is the faith of Catholics and Christians. Faith is what makes us believe
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And a big Amen to you, Taise. Goodness me, these Christians are thin-skinned. Haven't they yet realised that the only true god is the mighty FSM and that the only true religion is Pastafarianism?

I rather like our Australian creation myths. Our garden covers a whole continent and the snake (the Rainbow Serpent) was the creator and was certainly a good egg.

But then, I like the Hindu idea too. The world is supported by an elephant standing on the back of a tortoise.

The Judaeo-Christian myth is entertaining in its way, but lacks panache,
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Absolutely, Dodgy, there are some creation myths that are a lot more interesting. In Canada, some aboriginal groups' creation myths have humanity riding into the world on the back of a turtle.
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We aren't thin skinned but when you are basically told you are stupid and have no common sense because of your religious beliefs, it gets very frustrating. I am an educated person and I still believe in God and Jesus. It's not fair to have to defend my thoughts and beliefs to people, especially when I have never ever in my life insulted or made fun of them for what they believe! I'm so glad as a Christian that I entertain you. Instead if tearing someone's beliefs and faith apart, try just keeping your thoughts to yourselves.
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I got to play with the creation stories in my novel when I contrasted Norse and Australian mythologies. It was fun. I'm planning something different and will probably post a question about it, looking for ideas.
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Hi GoblinQueen, I'm not sure if your complaint was directed at Taise or myself but I think you're off base. A question was asked and Taise answered it. It wasn't an unreasonable question -- after all, if the churches want to give kids the idea that they are cursed by original sin, you really have to expect some of them to wonder why.

Nobody's tearing anybody's faith or beliefs apart -- your beliefs are your own -- but Taise provided a reasonable answer to a rather pitiable question.

And as for your saying "Keep your thoughts to yourselves" that's not only presumptuous of you, it's the reason the Church was able to control thought in the Dark Ages. These days we won't be tortured or executed if we dare to stand against the church and say, "What a load of rubbish."
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It was aimed at Taise and I won't argue any further. This has become a pissing contest. I'm sorry I was presumptuous, go ahead and be as nasty and insulting as you want. Good night all.
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@Dodgy -I have looked at some of your q and a's (a little stalking lol) and I must say you are extremely well versed and intelligent. I don't agree with your thoughts and beliefs but you certainly make a good argument :)
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Cheers, GQ. I try to keep away from the religious questions, simply because I don't like upsetting people, but my views are very much aligned with Taise. Sorry if I jumped in a bit hard.
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It's all good. I have no problem with what you believe or don't believe in. I just don't like when people tell me I am stupid or illogical because of of my beliefs.
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I love it when people play nice
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No one, we aren't cursed. And all of those characters are fictional, and from fairy tales.

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Fairy tales? That's not very nice
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Not nice at all. Why bother saying anything??
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Me? I said something cause its not nice
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No, I an agreeing with you. MAC57 isn't being nice.
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Since when are facts not nice, they are just facts, I'm sorry if these facts upset you.
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How do you know it's not fact, were you there?
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There has never been any proof that these things occurred. Not one piece. As well modern genetics show us that you need 16 females and 8 males to have a stable genetic population. On top of that you have geology showing the earths not 6000 years old, and fossils showing that we didn't come first. Not to mention no species has been shown to speak aside from humans. Now I'm not saying your gods not real and didn't create the earth and humans. I'm saying the Old Testament creation myth, is just that, a myth, created by people who didn't know where they came from, or understand anything about science. So they made it up, I'm not blaming them, they did what every other cultures did at the time. There are hundreds of creation myths all over the planet.
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Now if you want to take the stance that since I wasn't there and I just have science and facts to make an educated guess on, that's fine, but that opens the field to every religion. All religions are just as possible as yours, as no religion has any proof, they all say, you just need faith. Hell I could be god, you just need to have faith in me.
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Calling my religion nothing more than a fairytale is insulting, just be nice, I don't need your proof
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So insulting. Keep your facts. I'll keep my faith. At least I have something wonderful to believe in
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I don't recall saying Jesus was a fairy tale, do you worship Adam and Eve? You don't honestly believe ever word of the bible do you?
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No we don't worship Adam and Eve. You have called the book that is basis of our religion a fairy tale and that is very insulting. The Bible should not be taken literally word for word however we believe the stories are true and it is used as a guideline for faith. I would never belittle or insult someone for what they believe and I don't appreciative it being done to me.
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So you don't correct racists, people who believe in Santa, people who believe in slavery or that the world is flat? If you took that stance in life, we would all still be living in the Stone Age, because we can't correct someone's beliefs, even if they are wrong.
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Not to mention, you wouldn't be Christian, because when Jesus came around you would say, I'm a Jew, you can't be the son of god, because I don't believe you and we can't challenge or change anyone's beliefs.
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Guess what MAC, due to my excellent knowledge of genetics I have come up with proof, emporor penguins, and every other type of animal in the world, are hugely genetically diverse, implying that the F1 generation was made up of many individual organisms, humans, however, no matter where they live, are only genetically different by a few letters, hardly any, that means that our F1 generation consisted of ONLY A FEW ORGANISMS, quite possibly two, therefore strongly supporting Adam and Eve, BOOM
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The other animals in one species are individually hugely different from each other in the same species
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Wow, a Christian that does scientific research. I must commend you on that, first that you did it, second that you understood it. But while it does show we bottle necked at one point in our evolution, that bottle neck can be explain by our ancestors coming from one mountain valley with a small group not several. 50 humans at first, not thousands, and certainly not 2. It's also indicative of an evolutionarily young species, that migrates quickly. We aren't diverse because they chimps have 5 million years of breeding to diversify their genetic code, compared to 500,000 for man. Meaning humans are one of the most recent species on the planet, which is 5 billion years old. That picture sounds a little different than a 6000 year old earth, where man came first.
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However, you do realize that I have found scientific evidence supporting the bible, I have just made history
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It could definitely be used that way. The probe is, when you correlate all the other data in favor of evolution. However I never said a god couldn't use evolution to make man, but it is a bit of a stretch.
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Possible, i have explored that idea, and i like it because it eliminates the period where a bunch of atoms suddenly started working together to create a conscious organism, albeit single celled, physically a basically atoms will not work together like that, they would need quite a push and it would have to had happened solely and completely by accident, and that is a pretty big accident, and then another accident to get these cells to join together into multi celled organisms, therefore i find it plausible that god provided that push, and the universe, the big bang theory is right, but the way it expanded meant that the forming of suns and planets were also an accident, that sounds like a lot of accidents which means that this universe forming exactly the way it did very, very, very slim, almost to the point where there is no chance, and that is why i believe in god, oh and by the way, not only am I a Christian with a remarkable knowledge of genetics, but I am a catholic with remarkable knowledge of genetics, how that for a mind f***.
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Wow, impressive
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Speechless, I like it
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Your argument is invalid
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It depends on who you talk to, most people think it was eves fault, because he allowed herself to be tempted and then convinced her husband

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Adam and Eve disobeyed God. The serpent was the Devil but they chose to go against God's orders so they are the reason. If you are truly interested, there are Bibles you can buy that explain the verses in terms we can understand. You can ask God's forgiveness at any time.

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God, The Righteous Judge Handed
Down The Primary Sentence To
The devil Indwelled Serpent.
Named As Co-Conspirator
Was The Woman, Eve.
Charged With Aiding
and Abetting Was
The Woman's
Husband,
Adam.
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And the Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed
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above all [domestic] animals and above every [wild] living thing of the field; upon your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust [and what it contains] all the days of your life.
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To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.
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And to Adam He said, Because you have listened and given heed to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it, the ground is under a curse because of you; in sorrow and toil shall you eat [of the fruits] of it all the days of your life.
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Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth for you, and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread until you return to the ground,
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for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return. (Genesis 3:14, 16-19 AMP)

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May The Lord be with you, god bless
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Beautiful! Amen
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who told you that we are cursed ... why shall i be cursed for something i didn't do ...?

it is Satan who whispered to Adam & Eve ... and Beautified to them eating from the tree ... it is not Eve fault ... they both were responsible for that ... and after all that was under the Will of God ...

this story is to show us that Satan is our enemy and to warn us against his attempts to mislead the people from the way of God ...

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Adam watched and listened as the serpent deceived Eve but said nothing. (cont in comments)

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Remember, Adam was given the commandment before the creation of Eve. He knew she was being deceived and he knew God's commandment. Remember verse 2:17? He KNEW what the fruit he was not suppose to eat looked like. Many believe that Adam was right there next to her listening and watching everything the serpent said. Even if you do not think he was actually with her, remember he was created first and received the commandment before she was created. He KNEW which tree and he KNEW what the fruit looked like. Being he KNEW what the fruit looked like, why did he take and eat when she gave it to him? There are several verses detailing the conversation between Eve and the serpent. There are no verses showing any kind of deception of Adam by Eve
. The prevailing thought has always been that Eve deceived Adam, but I see nothing in these scripture that shows Eve and Adam having any kind of conversation about the fruit. Both believed the lie of Satan, both ate the fruit willingly. Still today people blame others for their own disobedience to God's word. They do what they know they should not and then try to find an escape clause by blaming Satan, or other persons. It didn't work for Adam and Eve, and it will not work for us today. http://www.christianblog.com/blog/kraftykatz/did-eve-decieve-adam-taking-a-look-at-scripture/
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I am.I ate an apple and ruined humanity., Yay me. :3

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Satan brought temptation, Eve fell for it and in turn tempted Adam and Adam, whom God gave dominon over all earthly things, gave in to that temptation. So pretty much all three. But if Adam had said 'no' and rebuked Eve i think things would have turned out differently.

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Guess what? It does not matter. Jesus took the curse of sin and death for you...and all mankind. The only thing that separates you from a holy, just God is....you.
Apart from Adam or Eve or even the devil........all of us are sinners by choice. Whoever tells you that you go to hell for the sin of Adam is incorrect.
The wages of our own sin is death and judgment.
Since the curse is out of the way, the answer is found in Jesus Christ.
"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, "
""For God so loved the world, [fn] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

So the only curse is our unbelief; that is, refusing to trust in Christ as Savior and Lord.

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Well, all of them played a big part in it: Eve gave into her temptation, Adam didn't stop her when he found out/gave in, and Satan was the tempter. However, I don't know if I'd blame the devil or not. Eve should have resisted her temptation, but she didn't

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The time for pointing fingers is past, let it go and get on with life. Mankind is cursed. Ask forgiveness and accept Jesus free gift of salvation.
Yesterday is history,
Tomorrow is mystery,
Today is a gift, that is why it is called the present.

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Well said
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