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why do some people say God isn't real?

I hate to say it, but my misfortunes even cause me to say well God doesn't exist. In my previous question I lost everyone. I thought there was no God. Deep down, I cross my heart, I do believe in God. But, why don't other people believe in God? Is it the same reason as mine?

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Some people never grew up in a religious household, so there isn't a reason to believe. Sometimes a bad experience causes them to stop believing. There are lots of reasons as to why someone doesn't believe. The reason why I don't believe? I've lost my family, even though I prayed to it to let them live. I saw horrible things happen to good people. A God protecting his children, seems ridiculous to me. How can I believe in something I've never seen, heard, smelled, or touched?

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If the loved ones you lost beloved then there rejoicing right now with Christ and having a reunion with there loved one that pasted before them if u believe in Christ Jesus u will see them again
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I grew up in a religious family and was very religious myself up into my 40s, and never had a bad experience that stopped me from believing. As a dedicated Christian I felt compelled to research the history of Christianity and the bible.
Long story short.
What I learned convinced me that all religion and god/s are mythology.
I first felt sad about it, but I honestly couldn't convince myself to believe in god/s or the supernatural any more.
A near death accident along with the loving kindness of hospital staff and many many others who have amazed me with their empathy and generosity has since made me very happy and grateful for the natural time I will enjoy the good company of fellow humans.
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And if they didn't believe? Oh yea, then your god sends them to roast in hell forever. What a great guy....
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oh true, I totally feel ya. I stopped believing in God.
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Can you tell us when you stopped believing in god, and why?
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ravenevan:I am glad you were saved,but I believe it was God that saved you,i lost my faith when i found out my only son was mentally ill,asking God why ? had i not suffered enough abuse growing up,and now my son,anddrifted from my faith for years,until almost being killled by my son one night,having no one to turn to,I cried,and pleaded that if there truly was a God,for him to save my son,and from there things happened,to make a long story short,if my son was not mentally ill I might of never found God,You need to seek him,then you will find him. Debbie
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"You need to seek him."
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I was a dedicated faithful Christian into my 40s. I won't go over the details of what I had done as a Christian, but it would demonstrate my level of faithful dedication.
-You seem to read over people's comments completely oblivious to what was written.
-As I said. I did not lose my faith in Christianity because any bad or traumatic experience or accident or injury.
-As I said. "As a dedicated Christian I felt compelled to research the history of Christianity and the bible.
What I learned convinced me that all religion god/s are mythology."
-My near death accident happened many years after I had been an established atheist and had nothing to do with me becoming atheist. But it has been positive reinforcement to experience the empathetic love of humanity.
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So many misfortunes happen to me. And good people in life. I hate to see it. And I have to see him to believe it.
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Love comes from God,denial comes from satan
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there are too many variables for there not to be a God. It just so happens that we come from a liveable distance from the sun? It just so happens their was water on this earth? It just so happens that life even started here? No! there is a creator and he lives and he reins on high!! The God of all things created us and nothing more.
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Sometimes we have to have faith even when it doesn't make sense to. We know that humans have brains, but have you actually touched, felt, or seen your neighbor's brain in the flesh? No, we can't directly see each others' brain every minute of life, we just have to have faith that your neighbor has a brain. And sometimes things happen to us, terrible things, and we hate God so much for it and we may start to doubt in him. But things happen and we dont understand the greater plan just yet. and sometimes dismay happens not because of God's action but rather because of people's actions god and because god isnt present in people's hearts. Just because you dont believe in him doesnt mean that youre not a good person and that you will be punished. God isnt the one punishing us. He wants us to be with him. We all have a choice with what we want to do in life. And intimately, we choose whether or not we want to save ourselves.
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Raveneven;God was with you when you had your accident,no doubt in my mind,he knows your true heart and you are here for a reason,see God's not giving up on you,please don't give up on him.Debbie
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sometimes, other times, it's just obstinacy, and a refusal to accept our flawed human nature, and the idea that something bigger than us exists.

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Here's anotherone bob http://www.ask.com/answers/318744821/are-you-against-homosexuality-because-i-of-your-religion-why-or-why-not and also can you help me out on my answer in the comments please?
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*comments for this question? Sorry,I worded that wrong.
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because some people just dint believe but god is a miracle worker.

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Just like saying why do some people think Santa is not real or the tooth fairy.

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I would hate to go through life saying that God was not real and then on Judgment Day find out that God was real..... Oops

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Which god? There are thousands of them that have been thought of. Good luck guessing which one is correct.
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God is an insurance policy? Some may believe just to be on the safe side.
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Religious believes in my opinion are each individuals preference, that's why don't like responding to questions like this because they are so controversial, what I believe, what you believe, what anybody believes, it's each individuals personal business and nobody else's, I just stated my opinion and that's it, I don't want to get drawn into a debate on the subject...
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Pascal's Wager fail.


If you choose the wrong one out of the thousands man has worshiped- oops.
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@Sarte: Your answer assumes one can simply choose to believe what ever one wants. A person could put a gun to my head and tell me to believe in God or die, and I would most likely mouth the words out of self preservation, but I still would not believe. And even it I could choose under that scenario, and chose to believe in God as a Christian, and then found out at the time of my death that the Muslims were right? Oops.
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Anyone up for an amusing Edward Current video?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJpZOljjG8
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So actually you don't believe in a god you're just pretending? That's hypocritical.
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Nigel, my answer was purely a statement, I kept my views, opinions, religious convictions, and my understanding of God out of it, that is all personal, and do not ever call me a hypocrite again, you have misjudged me based on a statement and you have set the stage to be judged on your comment to it.
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@Sarte: When one makes a statement on a public forum, one can expect to be judged by that statement. I fully expect to be judged and challenged on anything I say, and if I am not prepared to defend that statement, I don't post it.
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Caltex you are absolutely correct, and I am currently in a situation on another thread regarding somebody that has lied and I have called them out on it, and the people are coming to the defense of the liar because I have been rude, and my comment was if people that are honest are rude, what then do we call the liars, I was flagged on my original answer to the question and the moderators deleted it. I chose many years ago to define my life by my integrity, when somebody infers that I may be a hypocrite, I take exception to that and I will come to my own defense...
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CalTex: That's so Hoity Toity!
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@Sarte: I am glad you responded to my comment. I made an incorrect assumption from your response to Nigel that you did not expect to be judged or challenged by your statement, whereas you were simply defending you statement. Mea culpa.

That being said, I can see how one would judge from your answer that (1) you have a belief in God, and (2) that belief can simply be chosen out of self preservation in the afterlife. I will assume now that your answer proposed a rhetorical hypothesis and that you do no not actually believe that belief can be chosen. Thanks.

@Novel: I do get hoity toity now and then when it comes to peoples expectations regarding posting on a public forum. My hope is that it is usually justified. This time it probably wasn't.
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Thank you for your response Caltex, your assumption was correct, it does not have anything to do whether I believe or not, but just for the record I am in fact a believer, but that was not the point of my statement, my statement covered I felt a broad spectrum...
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caltex:What does it matter what his beliefs are
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@Deb: It seems to be of GREAT interest to you what the beliefs of atheists are. But humans like to find connections. I found a connection with Sarte, and that makes me happy. On the other hand, if that connection was missing it wouldn't make me sad, it just wouldn't make me happy. Now if Sarte expressed a belief that would intentionally cause hurt to someone, then that WOULD make me sad. But I have no indication that that is the case. But thanks for asking.
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Sarte would never intentionally cause hurt to anyone and I would be painfully remorseful if I ever discovered that I inadvertently had...
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I'm glad Sarte feels that way.
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Ok.....Let's stop talking about ourselves in the third person, shall we?
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@Noveltman: CalTex agrees.
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Just downright, creepy, is Nov right?
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We should take this act on the road ;~)
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CalTex will look around for a talent agency that will agree to rep for us.
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Let Sarte know and he will get his clown shoes out of mothballs...)
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Didn't "us" break with the 3rd person, CalTex?
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Hmmm. "...will agree to rep for them." CalTex doesn't know. That just sounds confusing and silly.
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How about: "for himself and the others here" perhaps?
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CalTex doesn't think so. Too ambiguous. "Himself" could be construed as referring to the talent agency rep. This probably deserves an Ask.com question of its own.
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Some people, like scientists, think people came from monkeys...but then where did the monkeys come from?? It kind of depends on religion or just how religious you are.

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Not one credible scientist thinks we came from monkeys.
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That isn't true. I'm a pure monkey. Hahah, jk
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We share a common ancestor. Who teaches science at your school? Yikes!
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Humans are apes
And we are 1 of the five species of the great apes ,
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Sorry I'm not as monkey smart as you guys.....
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Apes are not monkeys -
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Monkeys 3:)
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-______- Ape smart...I apologize
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Where did god come from? Got ya in a corner there i did
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Evolution is bull if you look past what they present to you as a "fact" (which is not a fact to begin with) the simple thing remains the day they can show me a mutation that can add positive information to an organism (which they have failed to do) I might believe them
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Wow. There are so many examples of evolution in action.... Look up the famous peppered moth story, but there are many others. My favorite model of evolution is Tiktaalik roseae.
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No, that would be you. Evolution is a scientific fact, and we have witnessed speciation in action hundreds of times.

The old "no positive information" hack has been debunked so thoroughly even most creationist sites don't use it. It's called gene doubling folks. Not to mention that there are dozens of different types of mutations and our genome has a 30% or so inactive portion. Mutations don't have to add in to make a big difference. Even a point mutation in the right place can do that.

The fact that random people think they know better than the entire scientific community baffles me. And then they wonder why American students are falling horribly behind in math and the sciences.
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If its a fact why is it called a theory?
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If you look past what they present to you as a fact, it would surprise you. But unfortunately most people just believe what anyone tells them. Then it's the "those scientists know better than you " argument which is true but I could name quite a few scientists that have differing opinions than all the others, but they are just dissmised as crazy.
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In science theories EXPLAIN facts. Gravity is a theory. So is the heliocentric model of the solar system. There is nothing higher than a theory in science.

I'm a biologist, dear. I can see evolution in action every day in my own lab. There is a reason the scientific community is in agreement about evolution- because it is supported by every piece of evidence we have and contradicted by none.

If anyone could have actually shown evolution incorrect, they would have stepped up and claimed their Nobel by now. The fact is that evolution denial is on par with believing the Earth is flat.
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Have you ever challenged evolution? It seems to me that none of these scientists have ever done so, No they haven't (and the ones who have are dismissed as crazy)
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Take this for example, there is a type of carbon called C14 this carbon decayes back into nytrogen over a long period of time, it's life in a organism after it dies is about 100,000 years. Using this carbon is how they carbon date specimens. With that in mind how in earth do they get dates of millions of years? When that carbon they use to date it is not there anymore? There current argument about that is that the specimen was contaminated with that carbon when it was dug up. But it is one thing all of those specimens have in common, they all contain C14. Even dimonds which are sometimes dated to billions of years contain this carbon, with that in mind would those scientists not look into that rather than just trying to make it fit? That is why I think they have an agenda
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Sigh.

You don't understand how science works. Unlike religion, we start by examining the evidence THEN draw the conclusion. Not a shred of evidence has ever turned up that contradicts the theory of evolution- if it had, we would have chucked it and reformulated a hypothesis that explained all data. We have no vested interest in evolution.

I have seen prettying every challenge to evolution creationists have come up with, and not a single one holds water. It's all logical fallacies, ignorance of science in general, failure to keep up with modern discovery (trying to debunk things from sixty years ago), and often outright lies.
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Oh, pumpkin. If you knew a thing about carbon dating you'd know it is only used on material older than the Industrial Revolution and younger than 50,000 years. We use radio metric dating for material older than that.

You're basically trying to say hammers don't work because they can't cut down a tree. That's what chainsaws are for.
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Oh ok derp :|
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Like i said, and you never addressed this. there has been scientists that have found loads of stuff to contradict evolution, but ironically they are dissmised as crazy people that have no place in science
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And I'll never be able to win this argument with someone who is to mired in evolution anyways so good day to you
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Bud..., You could win this argument easily; just name a scientist that has found loads of peer reviewed stuff that contradicts the science of evolution.
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Well here is a few Ann Lamont and Werner Von Bran I could name a whole lot others too.
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Ann Lamott is a novelist, not a scientist.

Werner Von Braun was an engineer.

Neither are scientists with any authority in biology, and neither have a single peer reviewed paper or research on biology at all.
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There are about 700 real sientists that reject evolution
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And none of them are biologists, the actual people who know anything about it. In fact, most of the "scientists" on that list are either engineers or people with degrees in unrelated fields. That's like saying a man with a doctorate in English literature can speak with authority on chemistry.

And you realize there are tens of thousands of scientists in the world? Less than 0.2% reject evolution, and not a one of them has ever been able to provide a shred of evidence to support their claims. They make them because of religious fundamentalism not good science.

Funny how you can't come up with a single reference.
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Todd charles wood is one of them
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He has an unaccredited "degree" in biology from a mail order "university" (aka "diploma mill") and his PhD is in an unrelated field.

He also has never produced a shred of evidence or research refuting evolution nor had a paper on the subject in any peer reviewed journal. His only credible publications are unrelated to evolution or creationism.


Try again. This isn't even challenging.
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This contradicts basic laws of nature
1 things always go from order to diss order
2 the universe could not have created itself
3 living things never arise from non living things
Conclusion the universe and everything in it MUST have been made by an outside intelligence
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Well good day to you :)
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(1) is bull. The system as a WHOLE has neutral entropy. If nothing could ever become more ordered, embryos couldn't become a fetus.

(2) you are claiming this with no evidence. All evidence indicates the origin of the universe is indeed natural.

(3) is also bull. Abiogenesis has evidentiary support.

Also- none of these have anything to do with evolution. Displaying a flawed understanding of science and flaunting logical fallacies again shows you have no argument.

And you clearly ran away from providing any scientific evidence or credible scientists for your claim. Until you have actual evidence and not flawed logic, run along.
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Why do we have more disease and mutations like cancer? If you look back to ancient history, like the bible which tends to be historically accurate people would often live into there hundreds, that is becoming increasingly rare due to, in this day in age all the many more diseases and mutations. Further more (if you are gonna deny that so be it) we aren't going further in the "evolutionary" cycle
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You Still have not challenged evolution which is not a fact, thats not sience thats follow the leader, now of those 700 sientists i might mention they are personally atacked for challenging it. Why would they be on defensive if they are so sure they are crazy? Its because they feel there flawed theory is in danger of being found out. now if you looked into itI'm sure you could find something, very interesting. But you won't you can't make a blind man see. I'm no scientist but I've looked past what they force on you, in the school the museum the history books, and what I've found is shocking.
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But the refusal to look into this from you people is quite shocking also, if they are soooo sure they are right why not test it? It's because they aren't. Further more, you ask me for facts? I don't see your "facts" FYI evolution is not a solid fact, in fact it's deeply flawed to anyone with a brain that isn't a sheep following the shepherd. Evolution violates basic laws that we all have heard of but some choos to ignore. Until you have looked deeply into your own theory and heard what the critics have had to say about it, your argument is invalid.
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I won't be able to change your view nor will you change mine so let's leave it at that
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Leave it at what? Your extremely flawed beliefs and ignorance of scientific data?

You don't have even a base understanding of biology. You aren't interested in actual evidence or facts, and change topics every time someone challenges or disproves your claims.

The fact that you think that laypersons with no understanding of science such as yourself know better than scientists like myself is ridiculous. Blind belief in your mythology prevents you from catching up with the last 150 years.
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For example- the bible is grossly accurate historically and there is ZERO evidence that anyone lived into the hundreds. That's a claim from a mythology book supported by no evidence- actual evidence shows our life expectancies are twice what they were in ancient times

You also seem to think evolution has some direction or goal, which is completely false.

Try again when you can back up your claims.
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Ske..., has, "looked into it" ; it's her job as a scientist in biology. She knows more about the "scientist" you claim refute evolution than you do. I have no doubt that if an accredited scientist found evidence that refutes evolution it would be published in peer reviewed publications and if it survived that there would be a Nobel prize waiting.
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Indeed, raven. Anyone that could disprove evolution would have a Nobel and all manner of scientific accolade- it would be akin to disproving gravity.
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And that's why the whole line of thinking by theist that there is institutionalized refusal to look into any evidence that refutes evolution strikes me as completely ridiculous.
It has been my unprofessional observation that if a scientific theory is debatable with numerous explanations for the gathered evidence, or lack thereof, there hasn't been a problem expressing those various schools of thought. The field of cosmology has recent examples.
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Exactly- we in the sciences are the first ones to admit when we don't know something or when we're dealing with hypotheticals rather than established theory. And you are correct- cosmology and theoretical physics are excellent examples. Honestly so is a lot of cancer biology. We still don't know how or why cancers can occasionally go into spontaneous remission, or even how many factors affect whether a person will develop any given cancer.

The other difference between scientists and the religious- we actually look for the answers to things we don't know, rather than stating that our ignorance must mean magic.

Religion says "I don't know, therefore it must be god!"

Science says "I don't know...let's find out".
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Their is no such thing as evolution, their has been no real proof of evolution, yea bacteria is becoming antibiotic resistant. So WHAT? They are still bacteria. Evolution is nothing more than a piece of mess their are too many variables for this world to come into place, think about it, if you take to markers caps off along with the marker, and put them in a bag and then shake it what are the chances that they will be put back together? 0, you could shake that bag for a thousand years and it still wouldn't happen.
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That is all complete nonsense. Read textbook then open mouth kid.


That is the worst analogy ever by the way- do markers have mutable DNA that recombined during replication? No? Then it's a dimwitted metaphor.
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Because that's what they believe.

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its because you can't prove he exists. I believe he does but some people want physical proof

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All they have to do is look around. Could all the wonderful things of nature just come to such perfection from an accident?
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It's hardly perfect and yes, it's all natural. You posit an Argument from Ignorance fallacy- you don't understand how it works therefore god. Doesn't fly.
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Well the scientific explanation for Earth being created is the Big Bang. Some people believe that God made Earth and all its creatures so the stories end up clashing. That's why some people say that God isnt real because most believe the scientific theory is real.

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the big bang theory contradicts sience itself...
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How so ?
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All life as we know it began in the sea,
Possibly from many early earth bombardments from asteroids,
Creating the seas itself ,
Without water- no us -
Without the sun - no us -
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The big bang has nothing to do with the earth forming.
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Since science is based on observable evidence and god/s are mythology, I'm betting on science.
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It has everything to do with the earth forming ...
Along with time and gravity ,
Eviction ...proven ...
And continues each and every day.
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Evolution - auto spell got me again !
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I'll take God's word
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that's just people that doesn't have anything to do. of course god is real.. i died last year just a day after surgery .. guess what.. he brought me back to life.. im a true believer. he save me from the death.. im a true example that god truly exist.

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You DIED?
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yes.. the doctors did a great job trying to revived me. as my cousin told me.. i have proof.
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Hah! My heart stopped in the ambulance for one minute after a car accident. But, I'm not an example that a god exists.
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Whoa.... (Geez I sound like a little kid)
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That's because you don't believe
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I think god that you have a chance to believe before you die
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I was also resuscitated after an accident- that's only evidence you had good doctors.
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You should find an ex-christian who turned muslim or hindu because of their NDE. Their out there. Also, NDE's have been debunked already.
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Indeed they have- it's hypoxia induced hallucination secondary to traumatic hypertension. NDEs can be reproduced with electrodes, drugs like ketamine, and high g-force training simulators.
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*they're. Damn iPhone keyboard makes it nearly impossible to type correctly.
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Omar... You didn't die. You nearly died. I nearly died with fractured skull and 3 weeks coma on life support. I'm grateful to caring hospital staff, not a mythical being.
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"the doctors did a great job trying to revived me." But all the glory to some God, right?
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This reminds me of the eye surgeon that went to N. Korea to perform about 1000 cataract surgeries. After their bandages were removed each one of them went to pictures of the dictators and thanked them for their eyesight, not the Dr that performed the procedure.
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Unbelievable.
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I saw that documentary. It's like spitting in the face of the guy who actually helped you.
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yeah it was Trusty, those people are raised to believe that the grandpa is alive ruling the country, he is president forever, the son and grandson are not actually the ones in charge, he is a god in their eyes
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If I was your doctor, I would be highly insulted right now.
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Because they lack one simple thing... faith.

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Maybe. Maybe not. Faith in science. Oh no, I said a swear!
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Since faith is believing in things for which there is no evidence, I take that as a complement.
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Science does not require faith.
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It's my ideal to never have faith,
but love the embrace of reality.
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I've actually heard theists declare that atheists have faith in atheism, like faith was a dirty word. It's nonsense of course, but it's telling when they try to insult us for behaving like they do. Self-insult, anybody?
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How do you see faith as a positive trait ?
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I don't! My point is that they MUST. And yet...
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you can have faith in alot of things. i'm not saying that you can't. i'm saying that they lack faith in the right things.
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That is entirely subjective and thus irrelevant.
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if what i said is irrelevant, then the entire question is, because beleiveing in
God is subjective and, in your logic, thus irrelevant
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God is not irrelevant. So harmful a thing cannot be irrelevant.
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Because we just don't believe. Call me crazy....

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Jehovah God is real....Each of us have free will...

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That's right !!!! Hugs and Kisses !!!!!
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The physical facts fix all the facts. Including your "choices". Free will is an illusion.
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Seems like the only option that the Christian free will comes with is hell!! It allows free will just so long as someone doesn't use it to NOT BELIEVE. It says you can use your free will to reject this god, but for doing so you will GRILLED for eternity!! It is like a robber pointing a gun in your head and offering you to use your free will to not give him your purse, in which case he will instantly empty the full magazine of his 9 mm to blow your head off and take the purse!!

So much for free will!!
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piou u so
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Because that's what they believe. What you believe doesn't affect them. And what they believe doesn't affect you. When someone is sure of their own belief, they don't worry about what other people believe.

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Good point O.o
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Christians actually do affect society in America. Some obvious examples are denying gays their natural right to marry and trying (unfortunately, they are sometimes successful) to force nonsense christian creation into school.
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I'm with Trusty- unfortunately Christians are affecting other people with their beliefs by attempting to convert them and push those beliefs into our laws, schools, and government.

If people keep their beliefs to themselves I couldn't care less what they are- worship tree fairies for all I care.
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Ooh! Tree fairies!! You know, it's your choice. Believe in tree fairies and when you die you get eternal paradise. Or don't believe, and it's an eternal forest fire for your soul....
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Hey, if you want trees fairies, if they help make the universe make sense, by all means believe in tree fairies.
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There are limits to how much "Live and Let Live" is acceptable.
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unless you can present me evidence, I would prefer to believe in the tooth-fairy.

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Same here....
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At least the tooth fairy comes through with a quarter.
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IKR? Of course, when my kids lose teeth, she suddenly expects ME to foot the bill......
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lol u guys are so funny. u guys think your the smarter ones for not believeing in a god hahaha
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Not smarter, just realistic, the supernatural is not realistic to us.
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Convince me, OJ, that you believe for a reason other than Tradition, Authority, or Revelation.

Those are really poor reasons for believing in anything.
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The foundation of faith in god is
fear, delusion and ignorance.
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It depends on what u are thinking of god as? I can
not debate u on religion and evolution because we all know that will go nowhere. But its "realistic" to believe that someone or something got the ball rolling. To think that this all happened by chance is ignorance and delusion.
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Ooh. Raven. He turned the mirror on you...
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OJ...,
-The point in your last comment is a typical "straw man" argument.
-No scientists are making the positive claim that this all happened by chance.
-Chance is a factor in some mathematical calculations but it isn't understood as a primary cause, if there is one.
-If you think scientists think, "this all happened by chance." you only demonstrate your own ignorance of science.
-It's irrational, illogical and nonsensical to believe, "someone or something got the ball rolling." As "realistic", without evidence.
Evidence is Reality
Reality is Evidence
-Your belief and faith in god/s, devils, angels, demons, heaven, hell, or whatever version of the mythical supernatural world you subscribe to without evidence for its existence is evidence of your own delusion.
-theists say
I don't know; it must be god.
-scientist say
I don't know; let's find out.
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And with the theists, the discussion is just over. With scientists, the conversation continues.
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Haha are you guys scientists, i didn't know, my bad!
Im sorry but i believe life is to complex and to orderly to not be intelligent design. But believe what u will, i only commented on this because you act like its stupid to have a different opinion.

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Of course you can believe whatever you like, but with no evidence believing in god/s is comparable to believing in a tooth fairy, which was the the original point.
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Not officially, no.... But as an amateur, yes!
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cuz he isnt

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You are a f u ck ing a ss hole in one
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Straight to the point.... Nice.
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I hope there is a god -
But ,, science shows me and some others otherwise .

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Why do you hope for this God??
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It would be something nice .
However I know better .
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And if there is, in fact, a god, let's just hope that he has good excuses for existing!!
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If the god of the bible is real, it is incumbent upon us to hunt it down and kill it.
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sheldon cooper: To agree on 666 you would have to agree on God,there is a God sheldoncooper,I have studied the paranormal for over 20 yrs. now,and I know for 100% that there is a God.
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You studied something that doesn't exist and concluded that something else that doesn't exist, exists. Brilliant, Deb.
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I believe I evolution -
End of story.
But I hope there is a god-
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@Deb001: Your assertion sounds like a shriek from the dark age from the grave of Calvin. Christians, like you, claimed that they studied for 1800 years and that they knew for 100% that the earth was statutory and the sun was revolving around it! Upon this lie and imposition they persecuted thousands burned hundreds of Bruno, Kepler and Galileo because they discovered the truth that was against this monstrosity!!

Deb's study, I reckon, was something like this: "Searching for a black cat in a dark room, which isn't there, and still shouting that she got it"!!
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Heh ^^^^^^
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Deb001 you are the man i am going to follow you
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Go somewhere else hitchhiker, your attacks are not welcome.
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i have found that certain parts of science that supposedly conclude that God is not real, actually contradict the basic science principals that most beleive in and were taught as a child.
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There is a supreme power in this world some people depend on thier God for all reasons and when they fail they start shouting at their Faith and God so this is it..

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They weren't taught of him

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Uh, no. Recent research shows atheists know more about religion than any other group.
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I'm an atheist.
Read my answer.
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I'm atheist. I probably know more about your religion than YOU do. What now?
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You mean they were not indoctrinated? That there minds were not paralyzed by the savage superstitions about god?? That they were not affected by the happy mixture of insanity and superstition called faith? How fortunate have the been indeed!!

Oh; by the way, I am sure that most of them "RED" [sic] the bible than most Christians!!
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Those who know me best, know first of all that I attend Church services weekly. I was fully devout into my late twenties. I've read the Bible many times. Rude much?
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Sorry but it sounded like you were making fun of me
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Was there a removed comment here, somewhere?
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If people had faith in something bigger then themselves they would realize the universe didn't make it self the earth all living things and billions of other planets might have life too. And there's no God.

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There's a bit of confusion evident in your answer...
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Wat... 180 much?
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Because it's true.
It's not real.
It's just a recycled collection of other peoples' myths.

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I don't believe in gods because there is no good evidence they exist.

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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There is no proof of your god. Therefore, your belief can be dismissed off hand.
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How did my comment get cut? I just explained that the Burden of Proof is on the claimant and that it is hypocritical to claim one should believe in a god without evidence when the believers don't believe every other supernatural claim without evidence.
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Death..., If you tell me you have a pink rhino in your garage; then I look in your garage and see it is empty.
Then, absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
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In 1453 there was no evidence that the world was round. In this time period we have not found any evidence of God. At least, that is the only thing you will accept. In reality though, there are gobs of proof of our Creator. This is hopeless on you, kitten, I know that much, but the beauty of the world can't come from nothingness. Humans, dolphins, apes, and elephants can't spawn from nothingness. And nowhere in nature have we observed a species evolve into a completely different species.
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The extent of your ignorance is quite impressive.
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In 240 B.C., the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes made the first good measurement of the size of Earth. By noting the angles of shadows in two cities on the Summer Solstice, and by performing the right calculations using his knowledge of geometry and the distance between the cities, Eratosthenes was able to make a remarkably accurate calculation of the circumference of Earth. Let's take a closer look at how he did it!
http://www.windows2universe.org/citizen_science/myw/w2u_eratosthenes_calc_earth_size.html
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It's religious idiocy that keeps the masses ignorant.
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Here are some links for inter species evolution.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=evidence+of+interspecies+evolution&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=fBxiUZbLNKauiAKVxIDgCw&ved=0CCgQgQMwAA
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It was just used as an example.
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Example of what?
Your ignorance?
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Zing. It was a poor example, Deathbadger. If you try to make a point and use an incorrect analogy, any point is lost.


My point is that you don't believe a slew of other extraordinary claims without evidence- fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, the thousands of other gods man has worshiped. It is a Special Pleading fallacy to claim the rules of evidence work for everything but your particular god.

Absence of evidence means no logical reason to accept a claim.


FYI- we have witnessed speciation hundreds of times. Evolution is a fact, get over it already. It has nothing to do with the question of whether any gods exist. And why is it that believers always claim beauty (which is highly subjective) is proof of god and ignore the vast amounts of ugly and chaos? Just because you think flowers and sunsets are pretty doesn't mean they got here by magic.
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Let's not forget- if you claim the Earth is evidence of some creator (which it isn't, but hypothetically speaking), you are left with a bigger problem...why your particular god? How is that evidence for Jehovah the Canaanite sky deity over say Shiva or Odin or Zeus? Why not a deistic, vague higher power that kick started the universe then left it alone? Why not the pantheistic view that the universe IS a higher power?

To go from the nebulous "creator" to the Abrahamic deity is a leap in logic even Superman couldn't make.
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The destruction and ugly was caused by humans. And there is no logical leap involved in my thinking. If there is a creator,(which there is) then we can prove that it is Hosanna by proving parts of the bible. Such as the flood.
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The Noahide flood is a myth- scientifically and historically impossible and a direct copy of the much older story of Unapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
The vast majority of bible stories have zero evidence to support them and many like Exodus or the flood are outright disproven.


And that website is laughable. If you want to be taken seriously, you must provide credible scientific sources that don't contain pages worth of errors, misinformation, and outright nonsense.

You also fail to provide any evidence that there is any creator at all- that you find things pretty is not evidence for magic.
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Maybe this one written by a university will persuade you. http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/
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Honey, ICR is not a university. It is a known hack organization. Did you miss the part where I said credible source with accredited scientists?
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Things are far too complicated to have simply popped into existence without any Creator playing a part in it. Try to provide some disproof of God. I dare you.
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Good grief, and the Argument from Ignorance comes back. You don't understand it therefore magic. Doesn't fly.

You claim magic gods exist, kid. You have to prove it. You can't disprove Shiva or Odin or Zeus or unicorns or leprechauns, but I am willing to bet you don't believe in them.

Bringing back the logical fallacies proves you have no argument. Come back when you can actually back up your claims.
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Well, it's kind of hard to win or even have an argument with someone who "wins" by saying that the opposition is ignorant or illogical and then dismisses them. I know that God is real. I know that the Bible is truthful. No one can convince me otherwise. I will stay strong to my faith until my death. I can't speak for anyone else because I don't know them or what they have been through. But thank you for helping me understand why some people don't believe in God, as the original question asked. In doing so, you have both helped me to understand nonbelievers and strengthened my own faith even more. Thank you for your time and words, and goodbye.
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death... , You might convince some atheists that evolution is just a satanic plot to rebel against god if you could name one credible scientist that has published peer reviewed evidence that refutes evolution. You say your "evidence" is dismissed, but you haven't provided any from a credible source, so it isn't even worth considering.
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That has nothing to do with anything that I just said.
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Ah, the definition of closed-minded. People who won't change their minds no matter what evidence is shown them.

Your arguments are dismissed because you cannot back them up with credible evidence. You make claims you cannot support, full of logical fallacy, then complain no one will believe you.
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Deathbadger- I HARDLY think that the "Institute for Creation Research" in Texas really qualifies as a "university".
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They don't believe for many reasons but the main one is, "no proof."

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I grew up in a religious family and was very religious myself up into my 40s, and never had a bad experience that stopped me from believing. As a dedicated Christian I felt compelled to research the history of Christianity and the bible.
Long story short.
What I learned convinced me that all religion and god/s are mythology.
I first felt sad about it, but I honestly couldn't convince myself to believe in god/s or the supernatural any more.
A near death accident along with the loving kindness of hospital staff and many many others who have amazed me with their empathy and generosity has since made me very happy and grateful for the natural time I will enjoy the good company of fellow humans.

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So much better to enjoy the time we have here and now, then throw it all away for some promise of a better (eternal) life to come. Great answer!
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You just haven't found the true gospel yet!
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Neither has humanity apparently. Nor will it ever.
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So you can tell the future, can you?
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dbadger: Eventually, you can realize that after seeing a child flap her little arms as hard as she can enough times, you KNOW that she will never lift off. That's not so much telling the future as it is common sense.
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They will believe at the rapture but that's not faith so that means it's to late I hope it happens during my life time so I can see them bow and confess that Jesus is lord
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Somehow it doesn't shock me that you look forward to that with such.... salivation.
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Isn't mythology great. It gives meaning to the egotistical hatred of religious folk.
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Us versus the dirty sinful miscreants we despise known as them.
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I hate no one
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Pffffft....sure, okay. I know it's not you; it's your religion.
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Islam has its own long list of misconceptions, mistruths, and myths.
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Ab..."my friend"
All religion is just a mish mash of mythology.
With Islam winning the prize for being the most oppressive, violent, danger to civilized society in the world.
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Ab...Go away.
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You're Muslim because you were born in an Islamic area. I WAS Christian because I was born in a Christian area. There's no truth to either religion. Like raven said, they're all retellings of old mythological tales.
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You will find books where a Christian converted to Islam. You will find books where a Muslim converted to Christianity. You will find books where atheists found religion. You will find books where Pastors became atheists. How is any one of those more proof than the other?

Besides, you know.... the fact that YOU think people should be Muslim, so the one about the guy turning to Islam seems more real to you...?
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Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is ?Islam is the fastest growing religion?.
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Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
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Like I said, Islam is the most oppressive, backwards thinking, violent threat to world civilization.
If you think there is any chance of converting or even influencing me, you "my friend" are very mistaken.
ALL, religion is nothing more than
mythology.
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From the article:

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity.

I have to question Ali's objectivity.
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It's been estimated that in Africa alone 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity every year.
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By this article alone, or....?
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I'm not saying Islam isn't deserving of mass exodus, I have just never seen this outside of Christian propoganda pamphlets. And this article by Ali Sina.

"by Ali Sina"???

"b .. y .. Al .. i Sin .. a?

Al .. b .. i Sin .. y .. a?

Hmmmmm.
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Muslims often advertise news of non-Muslims converting to Islam, but they don't tell the other side of the story, where Muslims are also leaving Islam. There are more Muslims leaving Islam today than there are new converts joining it. The sheer volume of recent apostates is unprecedented in the history of Islam.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam
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There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed, as savior or prophet.
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"The percentage of Muslims declined from 84 percent of the total population in 2001 to 79.3 percent in 2004. In terms of figures...some 100,000 Muslims, of the country's five million population, have converted to Christianity."
Omurzak Mamayusupov: the director of Kyrgyzstan's religious affairs committee
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"Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa's main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa [a land of 1 billion] has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa...In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed".
Shaykh Ahmed Katani
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"The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand...The proportion of Muslims in North Ossetia has decreased at least by 30%, while in Beslan itself, where Muslims had comprised from 30 to 40% of the population, their number has decreased at least by half."
Roman Silantyev: executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia
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But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron.--22:19-21
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Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7
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Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
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