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If only one omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent deity exists, couldn't we technically define it to be atheistic?

No 'helpful's will be awarded for hit and run "No, because he knows he's god!" answers. This question is meant to be a fun paradox. Thoughtful answers are appreciated.

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They all shall sweetly obey Thy will, Peace, peace be still."

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That brought back some memories, Psalmbody. It's more than 50 years since I heard that one. Can't recall the tune though.
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Psalmbody... Thank you for turning this SICK question back to reality.
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No, we can't just define atheist to mean whatever we want. It already has a meaning. If God exists, which he doesn't, the he knows he exists. So by the agreed upon definition of atheist, he isn't one.

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I'm with you. But a single god would then have no conception of what a god is. It would have no deity of it's own, or greater power. Even as all knowing, it would transcend belief, and so faith by it's own existence. Technically arguable as atheistic.
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Why can't an entity be its own deity? It isn't a relative concept. It's an absolute one.
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It would be still be relative when considered by the absolute, no? I did mention a paradox.
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This being would be beyond Atheism, wouldn't it? Atheism is the belief that there is no God. But your being is all-knowing. Therefore, it would have no "beliefs". It knows! Maybe it is agnostic, but no...it's all-knowing and present everywhere so it can't not know... It knows everything. It's kind of beyond philosophy at this point.

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So. . .it would have no beliefs;)
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A theistic? Sure. (Get it, "A" theistic? Clever? Hit-n-Run? Thoughtful? Just DON'T tell me: "Don't quit your day job")

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Lol, ok, you earn a star.
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What kind of "God" would he/she be if they didn't believe in themself? I mean, it would be sort of hard to deny one's own existence. If you didn't believe you existed, then why would you feel the need to go around convincing people you didn't exist? More than strange indeed Torn......8)

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if as your question suggests this being would be sentient. therefore, no, not atheistic.having those traits it would know its self to be within the parameters that define divinity. and being omniscient, the G-D would understand its being eternal.we know what we mean when using eternal as a descriptive term, but truely understanding how that is or would be is something that's kind of tough to wrap the head around. good question though. better than my answer probably.

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Actually, a very good answer. My question isn't meant to be answerable beyond opinion. I hoped the fun of introspection would bloom, but it's looking grim:-/
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@torngren, I hear you.any discussion about that subject ( among others) actually does start a chain of introspection in me. my answers in this forum do tend to be kneejerk reactions. not the best way to have a real discussion.but, after my smartassed replies I can't help but go toward introspection. so, goal achieved. thanks
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fun paradox? Perhaps just a failed attempt at intellectualism .

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Nah, it's a fun paradox to anyone with critical thinking skills. Your offense is unfortunate, but not uncommon of those with blind faith. Sorry your little feelings got hurt.
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@cookieroma, giirrll! that's some reply! and I agree, the only addition I might add is pretensious. oh well, its something for short contemplation.
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@ torngren, wait! me too! boo hoo! ya big meanie! lol. all in fun.
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. . .nah. . .it's pretty entertaing. Pretentious is believing you have a solid answer to a question not meant to be answered in absolutes.
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My feeling aren't hurt. Why would they be? I'm not the once who needs to be pretentious. You are likely very intelligent but not awfully secure about it.
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Let's confront your ironically poor condescension right now. What need does anyone have to be secure in their intellect? My question was philosophical, not an assertion of any perspective or knowledge. You ignored that, and made a small-minded quip about failed intellectualism?? You shot off your mouth instead of taking the opportunity to illustrate thought. What part of my question did you not understand? Well, no worries. I'm sure you're intelligent yourself. Maybe just a little haughty. Thanks for responding.
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I'm condescending? Then you have to "explain" this to me. I assure no explanation is necessary. I understand only too well.
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Only if it has no reason to believe itself exists.

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That's kind of my question in a nutshell, raven. A single god couldn't comprehend what god is, with nothing greater than itself. It would have no 'god'. No belief structure in a greater power.
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Raven,
Right, I almost mentioned that as well! However, to say that God has "reason" seems to still be anthropomorphic and thus at best our analogical way of thinking about God.
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It's unavoidable for all thoughts of the supernatural to be anthropomorphic because it only exists in the thoughts of people's minds.
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Well sure, we are the "anthro" so no surprise there. Ah, but the "morphic" that is were the key lies. How can it be morphic unless there is in fact the connection of human to God? Unless your saying that we can create "God" out of nothing....since when have we been able to do that?
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Why thank u for the star! I actually though I create a star out of nothing for u too, but was too engulfed in all the serious thought! Lol
U have certainly earned one, even in my "galaxy of belief" :)
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...oh, and good night for now..zzzz
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Ok, so i think what your saying is that the one exclusive deity (God, necessarily) is an atheist since "He" wouldn't believe in god as in one other than "Himself"...right? For this to be true we'd have to cross off the omniscience "attribute" of God, which necessarily makes God not really "God", but "god" (basically a demiurge or something). Another point to make is that in order for your idea that God is an atheist to make sense, one has to assume that God has "belief". Belief is irrelevant when there is absolute knowledge (omniscience). The reason we have belief is because we are finite and have relative knowledge. So, in short the answer is "technically" no. ;)

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Thanks, DK. Your answer is one I would consider true, from a perspective. From what I've read so far, you understood my question best. Star.
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Well hey, I do try to understand others, not just BE understood!
Thanks :)
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Dk..., You get a star from me too for the same reason.
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Ah but DK, atheism is non belief (no belief). Technically, having absolute knowledge means having no beliefs and since atheism is not having a belief in god(s), this god can be atheistic.
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Trusty, that would be saying that the Almighty God does not believe that He, Himself is God.
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Atheistic? Hardly. If he was confused he could always resort to Descartes's maxim and state, "Cogito ergo sum Deus," or whatever that is in Latin.

Hang on, if we go back even further, to Exodus 3:14, we find he already said it. "I am that I am." Which is pretty much the same thing. He's asserting that he exists.

Unless that was a prophecy, foretelling the arrival of the well-known 20th century hero, Popeye the Sailor Man, who was fond of saying, "I yam what I yam." Maybe Popeye is a god, too. Perhaps Popeye even heralded in the Advent and nobody noticed -- with the possible exception of Harold Camping, of course.

So we have to assume that God knew he was a god and, unless he was in denial, could not not have been an atheist.

Although, if he was in denial he may have had a nervous breakdown and, since he is, by your definition, omnipotent, that may have caused the Big Bang.

(Sorry about using "he" instead of "it". I've been conditioned to it.)

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Knowing what a god is would indicate knowledge or belief in something greater than itself, or belief in a greater being. If only one god were to exist, that understanding couldn't be parallel to it's existence. No higher belief, no deity to ascribe faith to. . .atheist?
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I should have expressed this question as explicitly philosophical, Dodgy. Religious opinion has marred it's potential.
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Heinlein suggested in one of his books that the god who created our world (who was not terribly similar to the God of religion) was one of a race of celestial artists and that this world was merely a work of art.

In your question, if there had been only one god, it would have to believe in itself but, I agree, would be atheistic with reference to a yet higher god.
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I see what you mean, Dodgy. To be defined as atheistic, the contrary possibility must be in play. If 'god' were somehow 'disproven', then all titles, religious-wise would disappear no matter the stance. There would only be people. Parallel with a 'god', atheism wouldn't be a concept to begin with. God would be god. I've stuck my foot in mouth, lol. Very helpful, thank you.
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Very good! Yes, I get tired of having to put " " around He as well as the capitol H, but I think it still is more directive to who we are talking about instead of "it". In either case "He", "it" or "zwinseralfargh" would never actually do justice in the direct sense anyhow. I would make a tiny, yet iceberg like distinction regarding the "I Am" of Exodus. The Hebrew "YHWH" doesn't mean what Popeye redundantly kept saying (even if he said it just once it was redundant! Lol). The most explicit translation is "I Am" and possibly "I am who causes to be" and the biblical context also demands that this is the irreducible God and not to a relative and reducible cartoon. Even you and I may be correct in saying that "I am what I am" however we aren't what "causes to be" as in the prime creator. So until we can demonstrate that God is just in the image of man and not the other way around, then the Popeye analogy can't apply accept by presumption....hope that doesn't bum u out! Btw, here in the states I enjoy the taste of "Popeye's Chicken" though I doubt they're free range chickens...now that's a dilemma!!
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Lol, DK, the hope that a corporate food chain restaurant uses free range chickens is another belief that requires strong faith, lol.
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Torngren, I am at best agnostic towards the belief that fast food chains fry up happy go lucky chickens! He he
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Left me laughing, DK
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You made my day, sir.
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Thanks, Pious. It was an odd question.
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Duffy - is the FSM an atheist?

Loved the Popeye bit - maybe spinach is the holy ghost... Or the holey ghost, or even the wholly ghost...
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Sir John, Despite your undeniable nobility, I can not tolerate your casting aspersions upon the mighty FSM, or taking his name in vain. Zounds, sir! If you weren't skulking in that confounded colony it would be rapiers at dawn!
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If you exist ... Your existence is never truly defined or justified..
Do I believe in me? I believe in nothing more and nothing less.
I am everything but not as much as I am nothing

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You got it, Blades. Star.
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I agree with cookieroma and dkloven. Very good comments.

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Sorry your feelings were hurt, Memphis. You'll get over it.
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If an "omnipotent and omnipresent" god is the end of the line, the creator of all, then why would it believe in a god? I suppose it would atheistic.

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No, because He knows He's God.

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You must have hastily skipped over the disclaimer in the question, Loven, but I've grown fond of your comments lately. Star, by association:)
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Sarcasm.
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Lol, even more worthy then;)
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If this entity really is thee god then it certainly wouldn't believe in any other god thus making it atheist. However, the title of "god" was created by us petty humans and so this god probably doesn't even acknowledge the title at all. Since "god" is just what we would call it, it might not even consider itself a god. It probably just calls itself whatever it thinks of itself. From our POV, this god is atheistic for not believing in gods but it probably has no concept of god(s) because gods are higher power deities that rule over us and this god is the only god and has no deities to serve. To itself, it's not god it's just itself. So, in the mind of this god, it probably wouldn't label itself with a dumb human title like atheist, christian, hindu, deist, etc. To itself, it has no title! Great and fun question Torn. I admit this was a tad bit of a mind twister. I have to watch something stupid like south park or family guy now in order to ease the little tension off of my brain.

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That was a scary good and efficient run through the maze, Lepp. Great breakdown. I waited for just this type of answer. Thanks:) Star!
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This is where my thought process was going too, Lepp. Well stated.
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Well, this entity that you are referring to would have to be a "theist" not "atheist", would not this entity know that they are a Deity? & the only one as you said. "Theist" is my answer.

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Hey Shay. I now keep away from these religious questions they keep bringing up.Most of the time they end in up slamming matches.I'm not saying they aren't interesting,I always end up reading them but,they've asked them all before.Torn is different though,I think.Anyway,I'm giving you a star.Gotta go,catch up with you soon.
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Thanx for the heads up.
I like Torn, he seems cool.
Catch ya.
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I'm glad neither of you took my question as an insult to faith. Aus, I see the same questions over and over again on this category too. Chipping away at the monotony was my intention here:) Thanks for the good answer and the kind words, Shay:) Your answer, unlike a couple others I received from theists, show that you're secure in your faith. *Respect knuckles* Lol.
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lol. Knuckles back at ya Torn.
I liked the Q & thought it was respectfully asked. :-)
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Lack of belief in ones self is only a human inability. God doesnt have that problem. He calls Himelf I AM. So.....

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I think i'll look for a HELPFUL somewhere else ....

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No need to get upset, Betty. Thanks for answering, all the same. You get a star, like it or not.
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Why is it that Christians (including Betty here) are allowed to post questions about atheism that are downright insulting, yet no one else can post anything that even questions the nature or existence of a god without being labeled "sick"?

Sounds a bit like people who can dish it out but can't take it.
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Yeah, it's certainly lopsided, Skep. And Betty immediately assumed my theoretical deity was her god. Which really just reinforces some of my thoughts from the last question *she* posted about "de-conversion". Apparently, she missed my point in that answer entirely. No surprises there.
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That question of hers was insulting. Not only did it assume something bad must have happened to is to make is atheist, but she ignored every answer given by an atheist- she just continued to agree with the lies other Christians invented for why we are atheists. She didn't want real answers to the question, not does she ever. She just wants an excuse to preach her religion.
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I've come to expect the same from her. I'd like to think that anyone who reads her questions and comments can recognize it too. But I'm certain that's too much to hope for.
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What you're asking is, can an entity be his own God? And if he is, must he be an atheist?

Well, I can only speak from personal experience - for I am my own God, and I am truly an atheist. How could I not be? Every atheist must be his own God...

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If we were gods then I don't think we'd have to pay taxes.....
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Lol.. Yep, trusty. No can escape death and taxes.
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