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Is the United States now socialist or becoming Socialist?

Would we really know if it was? Do you think they would tell us? The government/economic cycles are always changing and are a slow process. A country has never had the same government forever. What is your opinion on the future of the American government / economic state? Please don't answer this if you don't remember life before 9/11.

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Ask me AFTER Obama is done with the changes he's implementing. After he's finished, even Greece will be a better place to live in my opinion.

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Mark my words: President Obama is the last president of the United States.
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Rusty, I'm pretty sure you can move to Greece...
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Greese is a hell hole
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Why should I leave when currently everything I'm receiving in hospital is on YOUR dime! And let me tell you, I'm on a spending spree! ;p
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Along with the rest of Europe. Socialism sounds great until you run out of other peoples money.
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Just the point I've been trying to make!
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Hey, your the one who prefers Greece so have at it.
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We are not "becoming socialist" per say, but we are leaning in that direction (only slightly)

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Under the Obama administration regulations are now more than the Clinton and both Bushes admins combined. If that's not socialist I don't know what is.
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we technically are not a "socialist state" by definition though. We are definitely closer than we have ever been though. We may be a European Socialist Democracy if anything
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we've been socialist for a long time now. Not as socialist as France, but we have public schools and social security and medicare, food stamps, welfare.

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You sir are a communist. It's at the heart of every liberal, but most aren't dumb enough to admit it.
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No and no. Allow me to explain. Socialism is an economic system, and it relies upon certain things in order to be implemented. Within America, due to the contingencies placed in the Constitution, simply instituting Socialism outright would fail. However, the current times indicate that an economic collapse into Fascism is absolutely being facilitated by the government, and after that economic collapse that leads to Fascism, then it is possible that Socialism and Communism would be effectively implemented. If things continue as they are, America will probably be Communist within about 70 years.

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We can hold it out for a while You can't just turn THE DAM GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD into a communist country.
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I agree, and will fight against communism to my dying breath. However, I also try to be realistic when answering questions of this nature.
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You may fight, but what about the generation being born right now, they will never know what freedom is. The transition is a slow process, the only way it is possible is to steal a generation.
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Yea same here better to die than hand over our rights on a silver platter.
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"You may fight, but what about the generation being born right now, they will never know what freedom is. The transition is a slow process, the only way it is possible is to steal a generation."

Agreed, this coming generation could pose a problem, however, I am confident that at least some of them can be woken up to reality.
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If the people are not vigilant the government will overpower them. Next years elections will be critical

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By 2016 you won't even recognize this place.
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is this what they are telling you guys on fox news these days?
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This is beyond what Fox will ever allow people to realize. That sick corporation is one of the reasons Americans are so politically unaware.
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No fox is increasingly liberal
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There is no right or left. Get over it. Divide and conquer people.
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In order to understand the present we must know and understand the past. History continues to repeat itself because each generation continues to believe it is smarter than the one before and has nothing to learn from it
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We are an oligarchy disguised as a republic, that thinks of itself as a democracy.

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We are actually a constitutional republic that some are trying to evolve into a democracy based on a discussion about who is more important the many or the one
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Our government is run by lobbyists, these lobbyists are paid by corporations and special interests, hence oligarchy.
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We are not socialist, nor in danger of becoming socialist. You guys really have to get over Obama winning re-election..
as for changes since 9/11, some were needed, some were politically expedient.

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Political expidience doesn't mean circumventing the constitution.
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Tell that to bush
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It's the people's fault. People prefer a nice, paternal government that will protect them. Still, at least this is a valid criticism .
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We rejected our first king but not our second?
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King?
Whatever you say
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The United States has been partially socialist since F.D.R. we have many socialist programs : social security, medicaid, medicare, public school system to name a few.

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LOL no. Only wackos like the ones that bombed Oklahoma think the US is becoming more socialist and blame the government for everything. They're so pathetic.

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People like that are the only ones in history who have prevented governments from becoming tyrants. You should be grateful for the pathetic people who question things.
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Only when they have realistic questions
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Like the whiskey rebellion? Please. This is just fear mongering at it's best like the scientists who try to convince the world of global warming and think they're saving the planet.
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Well at least you've got that right about global warming
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People think the US is becoming socialist is the same kind of thinking as the world and global warming. It's a bunch of crackpots and their conspiracy theories trying to either make us pay more for green stuff or trying to get more power.
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That was the MOST uneducated answer I've seen all day now.
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No the society is armed, the best antidote for socialism. Because they know there is only a certain amount they can push society.

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No, quit listening to fear mongers on Fox News. Quit listening to paranoid right wing nut jobs like Beck, Hannity and Rush. The democrats just wants what is best for everyone. They want to even the playing field evil republicans have established. The government is the only place that can help people. I hope you all noticed sarcasm.

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The idea that the US government is in a transitional phase is not a right wing ideology. It's the truth. Fox is the reason Americans are so politically unaware.
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Your first paragraph was correct anyway...
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Oh please. They are the few remaining that put out real news and tell the truth. They call out republicans just like they do liberals. If you don't believe them, that's your choice. I hope you and many others wake up some day. They are not as bad at fear mongering as the democratic leaders. Obama and Biden telling people republicans hate women, we want poor people to suffer, we want old people to die. We want children to starve and hate education. Both parties are screwed up. I have more faith in "right wing but jobs", especially the ones on the radio.
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Lol, I preferred your first description of them.
Please try facts instead of paranoia, you'll be surprised.
GOP hates women? Check out who didn't want the lily Ledbetter act, check out who wants in your bedroom
Hates kids? Apparently only fetus matters as GOP tries to tear apart every safety net and schools
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Oh yeah, old people... Guess which party would like to dismantle SS Medicare...
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Spare me from the same old illogical, dis factional, liberal fear mongering garbage.
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What is more important, the desire of the majority or the rights of the one?
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And steak proves why " conservatives" are considered hate filled
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Individual liberty is far more important than society as a whole. What you fail to realize looking at what is best for society as a whole is communism and takes away liberty/freedom.
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Boo, you just made my argument for me. I'm honest and call it how it is and you call me hate filled. Typical liberal when they lose a debate. Finger point, name call and say you hate.
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"Illogical, did functional, fear mongering"
Show me any facts in that. It's just a version of nana nana boo boo
I will debate any adult thoughts, let me know when you get there
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I'll get there when you do. You do the same thing. But you'll have a "justified reason".
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Stars Boo.
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What I stated are facts. You have sadly been corrupted and/or brainwashed by liberal media. Keep on thinking your democrat heroes aren't on a communist agenda. Be complacent and unaware as our freedoms and liberty are being chipped away. Who are you guys going to blame in 2016 when our debt is 20 trillion dollars, the unemployment isn't better, more and more people on welfare and food stamps, and that wonderful Obamacare has crippled our healthcare? Probably Bush and the republicans, it's always their fault and always will be.
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Facts? No. Paranoia, conspiracy, fear, and anger? Yes.
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Typical liberal media brainwashed liberal who can't think for himself. I would bet my next two paycheck a you don't listen to Glenn Beck or Mark Levin. You hear what the liberal media tells you about them. Don't try to tell me otherwise. The media does everything it can to ridicule and blast anyone who speaks out against the progressive liberals. If you people actually listened to people like Beck with an open mind you would learn some truth and facts. But go ahead keep loving CNN and MSNBC. Call me paranoid and whatever garbage you choose. You want to be complacent, misinformed and unaware that's your choice. Who are you guys going to blame in 2016 when the debt hits over 20 trillion dollars, Obamacare has crippled healthcare, people are still without jobs and the number of people on welfare & food stamps climb even higher. Oh yea, it'll be Bush's fault and the republicans in DC. They will block and veto everything Obama proposes that "will save this country from his inherited mess". Unlike you liberals who don't blame Obama for anything I hold Bush accountable for what he's responsible for. It's absurd that nobody holds Obama accountable for the 7 trillion dollars of debt he's added(more than Bush's entire 8 years). You people are sheeple and all have the same brainwashed rhetoric. When you guys finally have a grasp on reality I will debate you. In the meantime stick with your idiotic argument: "republicans hate women, the poor, Muslims, gays, children and want everybody to suffer while the rich white men have all the money and power". You people disgust me.
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When Bush took office the debt was 5.35 trillion, when he left it was 10.2 trillion, currently it is 16.4 trillion, that's a balance of 6.2 trillion. Now Bush had two unfunded wars at a total cost of 2.5 trillion, an unfunded prescription drug bill at 1 trillion and the TARP at a cost of 1 trillion. This leaves about 3 trillion that can be put on Obama during his first four years. We have been crawling out of the worst economic crisis in 80 years and the Stimulus bill accounts for 1 trillion. So by saying that "Obama has increased the debt more in four years then Bush did in eight" it just shows how biased and uninformed you are.
The very fact that you listen to Beck speaks volumes, if you rely on any information that you do not research on your own then you are part of the problem. And basically all you said is "I will not debate with anyone that doesn't agree with me." You are a sad result of our current politics and the propaganda machine that fuels it.
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Oh! I forgot to mention the Bush tax cuts that removed about 500 billion per year from the annual revenue.
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CBS says the debt is more in 3 1/2 years of Obama than in 8 years of bush.
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Get out of the left/right paradigm!
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And according to you bush gave us approximately 5 trillion in 8 years and the balance is now at 16 trillion. That means Obama has given us 6 trillion of debt in a little more than 4 years, hmmmmmmm :/
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That's correct Bud, but I showed that in my statement, what you missed is the breakdown and who created the cost. By saying it's ALL Obama without identifying the cause is just playing the partisan "Hate on Obama" game.
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Which pretty much seems to be what they have. Steak just keeps going in with "liberal, brainwashed, media" junk. Not a fact to be found.
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They are both guilty, it just so happens Obama has spent more. It's not "the hate Obama game" it's just reality.
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Bush spent 5 trillion in 8 years, Unacceptable. Obama has spent 6 trillion in 4 years, also unacceptable.
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And cal I fail to see how I diddent also lay blame on bush?
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?The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.?
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Bud, by flatly stating "Obama spent more then Bush" we are not addressing why. If you smash your car into a tree, do you blame the towtruck driver? Clinton left Bush a budget surplus, had that continued our debt would've been about 4 trillion when Bush left office. But Bush decided to go with tax cuts at the same time he decided to invade Iraq.
I was in Afghanistan from 01 to 03, we were kicking their @$$, had we received the addition resources we were asking for the war would have been over by 05 at the latest and chances are we would have gotten OBL. But no, Bush and his cronies decided they wanted to go after Iraq and we got the high hard one. We knew the "intelligence", we knew Iraq didn't have anything to do with al-Queda or 9/11.
Bush failed us plain and simple, you can make excuses for him and say he acted in the best interests of the nation, but it wouldn't be the truth. He wanted to finish the job his father didn't and his buddies wanted oil. Period.
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Well said Jdh!! I completely concur.
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Here we go, I guess the fact that Obama has spent more than bush in half the time is now considered Obama hating. But of course Bush made Obama spend it.
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And the only thing those Islamic sociopaths understand is force. That is why we have not had a terrorist attack in so long. Thanks to folks like you who kill them when they would otherwise be killing us we have had very few attacks since 9/11.
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Exactly Bud, I realize that sentiment causes most conservatives to pull their hair out and scream bloody murder, but it is a fact. If Bush was a democrat the conservatives would have created a Fox news2 just to have enough air time to bash him 24/7. Research for yourself with an open mind, use unbiased sources and you can find the truth. But as long as all you want to hear is "Obama sucks, democrats suck, conservative republicans can do no wrong", then that's all you are ever going to hear.
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Thank you Bud. But the truth is OBL wanted us there, he fought the Soviets in the 80's, he thought it was the leading cause for the fall of the USSR. He felt if he could get the US mired in the same type of long, contracted war the US would fall as well. What he was to stupid to figure out is that we had studied that war and knew what the Soviets did wrong, besides the fact the USSR was already collapsing. We knew from the start how to when that war and we commenced to do so, but like I said we took our eye off the ball and ended up being there 8 years and counting, longer then we needed to be.
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Acctualy I hear talk radio hosts bash GOP quite a bit. Nobody would know because all they hear is what the other media feeds them. Personally I have never seen dems eating there own but I've never really paid that much attention.
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Sorry, we're stepping on each others comments, I'll wait before I comment again.
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And there are quite a few republicans that I strongly dislike, nanny blumeberg is an example.
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By Jdh's last comment I think he really understands what's going on in this nation, and Jdh if that is truly how you feel then I respect you for being able to see the big picture.
Our nation has been controlled by special interests and big money for a very long time, as most governments throughout history have always been controlled. Whether R or D, conservative, moderate or liberal, as long as we fight among ourselves and ignore the facts we will never take the time to see the big picture and we will all eventually end up in the same place, at the bottom.
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That was a quote from Edward Bernays; "the founding father of propaganda". But yes that's how I see things.
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Outstanding Jdh! Another quote that fits today's climate..
"If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth!" ~ J. Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda for the Third Reich.
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I will say this. Say what you want about Beck and myself. Call us whatever names you choose. I bet you have no clue what a true fiscal conservative stands for and you don't have a clue what Beck speaks about or what he actually stands for. You rely on the moronic media tells you how view him. I would bet you and the wise one Boo couldn't tell me what TEA stands for from Tea Party. I'm not wasting anymore of my time or yours. Your right to have your beliefs and views. Have fun continually being brainwashed.
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Taxed Enough Already, the same type of lame mantra meant to keep people fighting a cause that cares nothing for the people that do the fighting.
Does Glen Beck sell advertising time on his show? Does he have sponsors? Is he making a good living spewing the paranoia he spews? Do you research anything he says from outside sources or do you just take him on face value?
"If you do not choose to program your own mind the world will do it for you!" ~TL
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I would like to give you all, the last TRUE republicans words.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfy
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Stars cal and JD!
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I don't like glen beck
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Although glen beck has had some good points, he is just another puppet controlled by a one sided media. He builds up hype to something but turns out to be something we already know. When he does get close to the truth he moves the audience in another direction. But out of all the major newscasters he's still, I believe, the only one who really cares or has a clue about our current situation in the US.
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I am a libertarian, one who follows the constitution not what the media tells me to do, not what the tyrant in office this very second tells me how to live my life. I am a free man. One with an opinion that i see to be true. If you don't like my opinion then you can face the facts. You may take my life but you wont take my liberty. I spit on the people who want to make me their very slaves I spit on the shoes of the dictator who tells me who I am. So this is what is say, welcome to the tyranny of king Barrack Obama
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Amen
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All, obviously you don't " know" much as you keep repeating the drivel much loved by fox.
Obama isn't a tyrant or a communist or any of the rest of that garbage. He is a politician and like all of them he means well.
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I have never watched fox once, sure he means well but his meaning well isn't doing much good. And I have reason to think he is socialist because he quotes known communists and socialists. And I don't think any of the folks on here watch fox, so it's high time to find a better scapegoat.
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I remember him quoting Saul Alinskey "working with the world as it is, to turn it into what it should be."
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And this isn't a quote but it's socialist "should we go forward to a nation where prosperity is shared?"
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so, the fact that he is forcing EVERYONE to buy healthcare, isn't a communistic idea?
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Wow, alinskey's quote is just SO awful. As for shared prosperity, hmmm " a chicken in every pot" ring a bell?
Any good leader wants all to share in prosperity. Would you rather he said "lets have a haves vs have not society"?
Forcing the healthy to buy insurance allows those PRIVATE insurance companies to balance that he is forcing them to not discriminate.
If your biggest "communist" proof is the fact that we are finally joining the rest of the industrialized nations in having health care, you don't have much of an argument.
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it doesn't stop it from being a communistic idea. when the government forces me to buy something i do not support it is infringing on my rights.
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Boo Alinskey is a known cominist
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Hey that was indirectly funny "boo Alinskey"
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Boo you should publish a book I think I know what the title could be
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I cant tell if those were intelligent comments.
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In order for everyone to share prosperity individual liberty must be sacrificed. Also the government must find a way to generate that prosperity. When the individual no longer pursues happiness and prosperity on his own then all we really share is poverty.
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It's not socialist or really close yet. We have had some "social programs" for a number of years. That doesn't make us socialist. To be socialist or communist the government would have complete control over the economy and market. They would take all the money earned and evenly distribute it as well as goods. Having welfare, food stamps and Medicaid doesn't mean we are socialist. We still have a relatively free market with the right to earn/make as much money as we want to. Yes there are taxes, and I believe too many. However, tax revenue is needed to fund the military, FBI, and other needed government agencies and law enforcement.

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the effect of obama will last for my generation, my kids generation, my grandkids generation, and so on.

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