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Is God okay with homosexuality for those that believe and accept Christ as Lord & Savior?

I have a step~son that is gay, and he says that God will accept him because God just wants him to be happy.
(Not a judgemental question, I love & accept my step~son unconditionally, so no bashing please.)

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I think Yahweh is okay with it. In the primitive times that the Bible was written, people didn't understand that homosexuality was something you were born with; they thought you had a choice and that it was wrong to choose that life because it didn't produce children, and children were necessary so that a tribe could flourish. To say that one could be "blamed" for homosexuality is like saying you could be "blamed" for the color of your eyes.

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I don't believe a person is born gay, I believe it is a choice.
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Well, science doesn't think so, but each person's BELIEF is a choice.
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You can be born with affinity to stealing. It's still not allowed. You can be born with affinity to murder. It's still not allowed. You can be born with affinity to homosexuality. It's still not allowed. God put tests to us. For some it is the struggle against shop lifting, to others it is a struggle against cheating on your spouse. To some it is a struggle against their homosexual tendencies. Those who sleep with same gender partners fail God's test just the same way that a shop lifter does.
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Believe what you must. I can't change you, and I won't try.
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@DeepDark, really, how does science prove it, I'm curious.
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@Lior: Where is the scientific proof that stealing and murder can be found at the core of who a person is, and how they see the world? As much as you might like to lump homosexuality in with rapists, pedophiles, thieves, and what ever else, it just isn't supported by the research. Homosexuality is as innate as left-handedness and the color of ones skin -- both having been the target of religious bigotry in the past.
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#Kaligirl: It is the job of science to do extensive research, analyze the data, and report the findings. Those finding are all submitted for peer review. Any submissions that pass peer review are added to the aggregate to build a consensus statement.

The scientific evidence of the innateness of sexual orientation is too ponderous to cover in an Ask comment -- or even 100 comments. But scientific studies in this area have prompted the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, and virtually every reputable and professional scientific organization and research group, to agree that same-sex orientation is innate.

Here are some links for more information:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx ("Sexual orientation and homosexuality" - APA)

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/#ixzz2M7y4aq4t ("Homosexuality ultimately a result of gene regulation, researchers find", published Dec 2012, Fox News)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html ("Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate" - National Geographic, 2003)
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God's law apparently doesn't matter anymore.

First Commandment: "Worship ONLY ME, YAHWEH!!!"

First Amendment: "Worship whoever the hell you want..."
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Great links and info Cal!!*****
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I believe it's God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
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People cannot choose their color.
But they can choose to be (or not be)
Liers, adulterers, thieves, and homosexuals! It IS a choice!
Sin is a choice!
Temptation is not a sin..... The sin comes from sucombing (sp) to the temptation!
1Corinthians 10:13.
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@Lillypad: People could stop lying, stop adulterating, stop stealing, but they can NOT change their sexuality! So it is NOT a choice! Ever stop and think about why people who usually steal, commit adultery, go to jail and not homosexuals? hmmm...
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@Lilly: In the end, I really don't care if anyone thinks homosexual behavior is a sin. Obviously it is according to religious teachings, and those who subscribe to those teachings should not engage in it. But my primary objection is when people try to force their religious beliefs, by legal fiat, down the throats of those who do not believe the same as they do. Marriage equality advocates do not want to force heterosexuals to limit their marriages to same-sex partners, or even change their exclusionary practices in any way. Why should Bible advocates force homosexuals to limit their marriages to opposite-sex partners even though those homosexuals do not believe in the divine authority of the Bible?
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Lior is correct!
We are all born with a sin nature( from the seed of Adam)read ALL of Genesis 3./Job 31:33.
levitcus18:22 speaks of homosexual
Being detestable to God.
Read Genesis 18 thru Gen. 20: the story of Sodom and Gomorrah !
Adultery/whoremongers: (any sexual act that is not between a woman and a man within the bounds of marriage) Rev 21:8/Rev 22:15.
Wake up before it is too late!
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Fight nice, children. This is getting out of hand.
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Did you hear that Cal? It sounds like lillypad is sleeptalking again :/
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Homosexuality is like stealing: that person is stealing the other person away from someone they may marry someday!
Homosexuality is lying: because is is a choice, not natural for a man to ly with another man/or woman with a woman!
Leviticus 18.
Homosexuality is adultry because it is sinning against Gods first institution of marriage between one man and one woman!
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If homosexuality is stealing, then so is marrying someone of opposite sex!
If homosexuality is NOT like lying because it is NOT a choice! Show me proof. If not, then you should just stop right there.
God's first institution of marriage is created by man! Also show me proof. If not, then you should stop right there as well.

Wake up and stop sleeptalking!
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@Lily: That vast preponderance of scientific evidence points to innate sexual orientation (see links in my comment above -- if you dare). On the other hand, we have the Bible that seems to indicate, from the Iron Age perspective of the writers, that it isn't. I understand why you would discount all of this scientific evidence. You have to. Your life, built on a foundation of an infallible Bible, would otherwise crumble. So govern you life by the Bible, and let others govern their lives as they see fit. Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
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@Lily: Forgot to comment on your "homosexuality is stealing" comment. Is it your impression that a homosexual will force a heterosexual into a homosexual relationship -- a heterosexual who would otherwise get married? No, that's not how it works. Consenting, adult homosexuals enter into relationships with other willing, consenting, adult homosexuals. But even if some heterosexual did somehow wake one day and realize he shouldn't be in that relationship, he can just leave it. Right?
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I challenge anybody who thinks homosexuality is a choice, to put their money where their mouth is and choose it.

Homosexuality is found in all social species and is an evolutionary advantage. It is perfectly natural and of benefit to our species. Many of the mechanisms which cause homosexuality have been studies and explained...

It is not homosexuality which needs to be explained, science has already done that. It is religious bigotry that requires explanation.

So much of the bible is just plain wrong, and most Christians choose to ignore all that stuff... but they do like to keep the bigotry!

Bigotry is of benefit to organized religion because of the principle of 'othering'. It allows Christians to bond with each other by giving them a shared enemy. Previously Christians have hated on many different groups down the centuries but this is no longer deemed acceptable... no longer can they get away with persecuting Jews or heathens, but they seem to be able to get away with hating on homosexuals -- in the US at least. Although public opinion is against religion on this too, helping to explain why religion is in such fast decline.

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Oh, VickyCaramel, I like your style.
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Right on, Vicky! Well said.
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Very much so! Vicky!
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Wow Vicky, thanks for that!
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People don't know what God thinks. They use him to give legitimacy to their prejudices.

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God gave us 10 commandments and Jesus and His Book(Bible) so we will KNOW what He thinks!
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read my answer please towards the bottom.
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Faulty reasoning ... (The Christian) "God" does not just want people to be happy.

And the Christian "god" says that if you continue to sin (which homosexuality is viewed as) you are not repentant ... and repentance is required for the forgiveness of sins ... which is required to get into Heaven.

So he can be homosexual ... as long as he doesn't act on it. LOL
Religion is messed up.

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Yes, religion is messed up. Thank you Walt.
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God is part of Christianity, and Christianity is a religion. Yes, God is messed up. Thank you Walt.
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God loves ALL of His children equally and unconditionally.

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Yes I believe God accepts all, but do you think God accepts those into His kingdom being gay?
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Of course. It's not like there is any kind of s e x in Heaven.
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@Tony: If God loves all of His children equally and unconditionally, why did he tell the Israelites to execute homosexuals?
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I don't believe He did, people use Him as an excuse to commit acts of extreme violence.
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That is refreshing to hear. Kudos. Now. How do we get all those others to buy into that idea?
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good question...
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read my answer please towards the bottom.
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It honestly doesn't matter. Most people don't interpret the Bible the correct way anyway. The Bible was written thousands of years ago and its meanings are only for thousands of years ago. Look at it this way: Jesus never said anything against it. So it can't be wrong.

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This is the scripture that makes me question, 1 Corinthians 6. 9-10
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor "men who have sex with men" nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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This is the scripture that makes me question, 1 Corinthians 6. 9-10
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God, do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor "men who have sex with men" nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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Well... Not ALL men who are homosexual have s3x with men, just like not ALL heterosexual men have s3x with women.
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@Kaligirl: It is not indicated in the verse you quoted, but Paul in Romans 1:26-27 castigate those who "exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones". Unnatural relations for a heterosexual would be for one to be so consumed with lust that they had sexual relations with those of the same gender. By the same token, homosexuals would be acting against their true nature by having sexual relations with the opposite gender.
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Look how focused the Conservative Right Wing people in America are on homosexual MEN. I'd never realized the Bible was the exact same way. "men who have sex with men" -- Such childish inability to focus on anything other than THAT...
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Actually, the version I have says in 6:9: "...neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind..."

That "effeminate" is kind of weird...
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@Novel: That reference to "effeminate" comes from the Greek ideal of manliness where lack of courage in battle was so repulsive to the Greeks that lack of courage was attributed to the feminine. So it has nothing to do with homosexuality, but to men being brave.
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Sounds like maybe the different translations aren't divinely inspired after all!
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Hmmm. Ya think?
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Yes God accepts people who are good and who do good for others. I believe that God is not a person that is judgemental of his followers and as such as long as your son treats the people he loves God will accept his choice as long as it is not made with the intent to harm others.

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Thank you snow.
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God accepts homosexuals, it's just the act of marriage which is not right.

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How do you figure?
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God's really stuck on this ancient Pagan ritual, huh?
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How is the act of marriage not correct?
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Homosexuality is a sin. God is holy and expects us to ask for forgiveness of our sins and turn away from it. That is the only way he can be forgiven.

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So your saying, he will go to hell for being gay, even if he accepted Christ?
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@Sheila -"sigh"....
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Exactly!! :D
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To the answer!!!! Not the comment..
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I'm saying if you truly accept Christ, you will turn your back on sin, not embrace it. And to be forgiven for that sin, you must repent of it. When you repent, that means you are truly sorry for your action and you must turn your back on that sin and ask for forgiveness.
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Who can say what God thinks? It is a sin among bible followers tho.

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A sin unforgiven?
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Hi Z, it's heretic dropping by to say howdy haha!
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God can, and God did say!
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kali, all sins are can/will be forgiven. Have you not read the bible? I'm Ahteist and I know that.
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All humans are created by God,only God knows the answers,nobody in this earth can judge others.

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Thank you str01.
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May you be happy in life . God will bless you.
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Thank you, you as well.
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And God told us explicitly that it is wrong
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Do you have the right to judge people?IF not just shut up ,the Bible never teach you to judge anyone.JUDGE yourself since you are so smart.
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No, God is not okay with practicing homosexuality. It's okay to be attracted to same gender people, but not okay to have sex with them in practice. The explicit prohibition is Leviticus 18:22; 20:13 applies only to Jews, but sexual morality is part of the Noahide laws that God requires of all Gentiles, including Christians. Even church fathers understood that, and specifically prohibited homosexuality. But remember, God cares not if you are attracted to same gender people. God only requires you to not sleep with them.

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But aren't we living under grace. Isn't the unpardonable sin, speaking bad about the Holy Spirit?
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Info not accept this grace doctrine. I believe Christians, as Gentiles, are bound by the Noahide laws which are eternal. Those requires Gentiles to sexual morality. Christianity from the beginning excluded homosexuality: Romans 1:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:9-10; and possibly also Jude 1:7. You might not like it, but clearly early Christians were against it. What they said is of course not that important, but in this case it coincides with God's Noahide laws.
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Nonsense
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tell me who wrote Bible,GOD or human?Do you ever know so many things is taken out from the Bible?wake up bud!
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@Lior: Your comment that homosexuals are acceptable as long as they don't have sex is similar to the situation with blacks In the antebellum South. The Bible is very explicit in the New Testament that slaves must respect their masters: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ" (Ephesians 6:5-9). So blacks were considered acceptable under God's eyes as long as they were compliant to their masters. In other words, they must squelch their natural thirst for freedom -- just as homosexuals must squelch their natural thirst to share their love. How would you feel if denied the freedom to share your love for your entire life without any outlet to be satisfied (i.e. marriage)?
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Say you are a kleptomaniac. It's in your nature to shoplift. Is it ok to expect you to conquer your desire to steal, or should society just let you steal as much as you want because God made you this way? God puts tests to all of us. To some it's resisting stealing, to others it's resisting the neighbor's very attractive wife, and to some it's resisting their desire to sleep with same sex partners. As it is a test from God, it's just all to easy to say God made us this way, so it is ok to let our nature conquer us than to fight it and conquer our nature. As for slavery, it has nothing to do with this question, and I'm not seeing the connection. Let me just say that the desire for freedom is in all humans, but just in one group or another, and therefore being a slave is not a test from God, but rather something all enslaved humans should resist.
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you are so blind bud
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you are faithful is good,but don't blindly believe everything,don't you ever against your parents when you don't like the way they thought you?
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@Lior: The difference between homosexual behavior, and stealing and cheating on someones spouse is that the former does no harm and latter does; the latter involves victims. Where is the victim when two, consenting, homosexual adults engage in sexual practices? You might be able to make a case for two, consenting, heterosexual adults engaging in sexual practices if there is a chance of unwanted conception. Then an unwanted child is the victim. It may either find itself in a horrible home where it is seen as an anchor around the necks of the parents (or the mother, since it is often the case that the father will bolt), or the child is given away to be a ward of the state for which we all pay in taxes.
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All I know is that God said no. I don't need more justification. Going the route of a victimless crime is a dangerous one to take, and a slippery slope. You may choose to not obey God's commandments. That's up to you. But rationalizing that is not good way to go. It's one thing if you're an atheist. Then you don't obey any of God's commandments. But if you want to go with God, you can't pick and choose. God's commandment should be your law.
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Oh Stro just hush child. God choose people to write the bible. I read this book that talked all about the process of the bible. It says the first early Christians were so religious and every statement in the bible had to be right. They didn't want anything untrue in there. God would surely not want that either. I'm sure he doesn't want us to get the wrong meaning of it? Now does he.
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I don't know which book you're reading, but it's wrong. There are about 10,000 Greek and Latin manuscripts of the NT. there are more variants among them than there are words in the NT! If God so wanted His word to be in the NT, He sure did a lousy at keeping it reliable. In contrast, the Tanach is highly reliable, with very few variants, even though it's much older than the NT. I think you just don't know what you're talking about.
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@Lior: You are the one who brought the issue of comparing people with a propensity for various behaviors. I only pointed out that what makes them wrong is a victim. Otherwise, if there is no victim, it's no body's business to judge them right or wrong except their Maker -- should there turn out to be one.
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I'm not judging them. It's fine by me. But God judges them, not I, and it's not fine by Him. He said so Himself. If you're not comfortable with this, complain with God.
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I would, if I though one existed.
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Lior, Chabad (orthodox Judaism) believes is that while homosexuality is a sin, that is all it is. There are 613 laws in the Old Testament, and I am going against one right now by using my electronics on the sabbath. Homosexuality is just one of many laws. It's not right to break the law, but in the end it is not much worse than me breaking the sabbath, or eating pork for instance.
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You are right that breaking one of the 613 Commandments is no worse than breaking any other. However, if you eat pork you are not likely to say that's it's a different society now, you just love pork so much, and God who is about love would not stop you from expressing your love and therefore it's ok to eat pork. That's exactly what homosexuals do.
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Its not really important but god calls it abominable. I'd consult a more enlightened deity for matters such as this. We have little use for iron age demagogues, don't you think? Sin is arbitrary to the enlightened.

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Are you referring to Buddhism?
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Buddhism was waaayyyy before Christianity ... or even Judaism.
The only modern religion older than Buddhism, is Hinduism (which is not a single religion).

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Not necessarily Buddhism, just a less obstinate force than god. There are myriad better sources of wisdom, Buddha suffices with excellence.
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Buddhism is always caring and loving,they never say any bad things.Before Jesus Buddhism is already there.Did they ever war or revenge?NO never.
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Really, I'm not sure. Since all who believe in God, female or male, are MEN, and the worldly are women, male and female. Its got nothing to do with gender....What does it mean to say "men shall not lay with mankind like he lay with womenkind"?
I truly think unnatural sex is eeew, bestiality, which was done often then.

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I'd love believe that being gay, but having accepted Christ, that would be enough for God, being that, it's not the unpardonable sin. Thanks Suze.
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No it's not. In the beginning God wanted us to be fruitful and multiply. Well, that's been done to death, and kids are dying because there's no food. God also said don't eat pork...
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Are you saying you are gay?
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Oh sorry, didn't see what you wrote under your question up there. It's not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit as far as I can see.
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Lol, your funny.
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It's so me-ish haha!
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Hey Suzie, I had always thought that these issues should be between the person and their God. But what do I know, I'm a heathen nonbeliever discussing these matters with a heretic.... :-/
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What things are you talking about? The gay stuff or your heathenism and my hereticism?
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Haha, Hi Sincerity!
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The gay stuff. Those other things are purely for our own amusement. Heheh.
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You crack me up haha! I was thinking if anyone else read that and didn't know how we joked around....haha!!
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I think its a hoot that you and I with our different views have so much fun with this.
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I know, whoda thunk it? Hahaha!!!
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A sin stays a sin until you ask forgiveness and repent!
Therfore remains unpardonable until pardoned BY God!

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It is a sin. The wage of sin is death. Since we all sin we need Jesus. When you have a personal relationship with God our choices change. But the Bible is clear, its a sin. God made Adam and eve not Adam and Steve. Lol

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Yeah, I've heard that one, haha! But homosexuality is not the unpardonable sin.
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Then where did "Steve" come from? God says in Genesis that He created everything.
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I wish I had a nickle for every time I've heard or read that trite "Adam and Steve" comment. All Adam and Eve indicates is that it takes a sperm and an egg to conceive. There is absolutely no implication regarding two men or two women being unable to be attracted to one another and wanting a monogamous and committed relationship. My wife and I decided to get married 29 years ago because we made a good team and felt we would both be better off if we were married. I find it disgusting that others who want to get married for the exact same reason are denied because of this Adam and Steve mindset.
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There is no sin greater then another. I have no problem with gays, just problem with sin. All are welcome at my church. But I'm not going to sit their and tell you its okay when the Bible says its not. Just think, if your parents was gay you wouldn't be here. But this isn't about our personal beliefs. The question was is God okay with it? " and He(Jesus) said to them, you are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is HIGHLY esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God. You have to read. As a matter of fact it took me this long to answer cause I was reading the Word. You can't take what you like out and create your own God. God is clear, men can't lay with men. Women can't lay with women. Can you be forgivin? Yes. But like the other guy answered. True repentance. God knows your heart. My advice is to read Bible front to back. You decide
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@Bulldozier: As a Christian and a Baha'i for the first 32 years of my life, this issue of homosexuality is but one of the disconnects between science (that which is proven and observed) and religion (faith alone) that caused me to reevaluate my perception of the world and eventually, after another 32 years of searching, discovered that I am an atheist . I have read the Bible and understood what it said, and eventually came to the realization that it was the product of humans who had created a god in their own image, and an idea of morality based on their cultural traditions.
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I couldn't agree more. I try not to put God in a box. People just take what they like out and call themselves Christians. U take whole or nothing like you. Thank God we live in free country. I'm good friends with someone who is an atheist. I appreciate the way you commented. Respectful. Read my profile! Far from perfect. Lol Got to go to school. If you comment back, I'll get back to it after ten. Thank you.
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Oh, I didn't put God in the question! Lol hope to hear from you later.
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@BullDozier (like the name!): I wasn't sure how you would reply to my comment (if you did at all), but I was pleasantly surprise. You are quite respectful as well.

One thing I didn't comment on was your statement, "Just think, if your parents were gay you wouldn't be here." I am hoping that was supposed to be humorous. If so you nailed it. However, there are those who think that if we are supportive of homosexuals, then the birth rate will go down. When I hear that it always makes me wonder what is so attractive about being homosexual that would make people "switch sides" in such numbers that people would stop making babies.

I too am thankful for living in a country where people are free to speak their mind. Nice to share that freedom with you.
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Thank you. It was suppose to be humerous. I find when you talk about stuff like this. Its good to throw in some humor. Touchy subjects but I'm going to say what I believe. Lol. Some people get scared or what not. You just have to realize people are passionate about beliefs and have MUTUAL RESPECT. A little respect goes a long way. I like the way you commented. Don't be surprised if you see me comment on you next time. I'll put you on my follow list, if that's okay with you?
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Anyone is welcome to follow anyone I figure. You're welcome to do so if you like. It does get rough and tumble now and then, but fully agree with you. People are passionate about some issues, and should neither be shy about expressing those views, or be surprised when those on the other side do the same. You got it right. It's all about respect and staying as civil as possible. Better to try generating more light and less heat.
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Lol. I asked cause I actually follow! Lol I give stars and comment on your answers every now and again. That's why I asked first. Well, guess I'll catch you on the flip flop!
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Nope

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There is no God,Santa Clause,or Easter Bunny

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Santa's not real?!
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@Strandj: Next time you should probably preface your comment with, "<< SPOILER ALERT >>".
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Waaah;(
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Shhh, we can't let that get out. Too many cottage industries at stake.
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Hey don't be dissin on the bunny now!!
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They ARE real! You just need faith :) :p
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U got two correct
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I have given this question about homosexuality a tremendous amount of thought, because I have family members, friends, and acquaintances that are gay. What I have finally concluded is this: We are all created in the image of God (read the first chapter of Genesis, rather than the second creation of Adam and Eve). Everything that not Godlike is not real (because God did not create it), but an illusion stemming from false beliefs. So we are neither male nor female, gay or straight, black or white--those descriptions are what we have created to give us something to cling to as our identity. Being gay is no problem, what is the problem is adultery, and this is an act not a person. (con't)

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Having sex outside of marriage or a marital commitment is unacceptable, something that we will have to drop before we reach unity with God. For what my opinion is worth, homosexuality does not bother God whatsoever, it is breaking the Ten Commandments that needs to change. What that also boils down to is we need to keep our little pointy fingers to ourselves, our purpose is God's concern and everyone else is not part of the contract and needs to tend to their own knitting. Jesus said to let him who is without sin throw the first stone. None of anyone's business. Is my position clear?
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Wow, great answer koichan. We have friends from (a church that I used to go to), that constantly tell us, "We're still praying for your son.) Do you not think that this bothers much and makes me keep questioning God.
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@Koichan: Speaking as an atheist, that sounds perfectly logical to me -- as theistic concepts go. But good luck selling that to the rank-and-file Christian. Logic and reason have never been their strong suit.
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@Koichan: One thing I forgot to mention which is NOT logical is that heterosexuals have the ability to avoid the sin of adultery by getting married. Yet the very people who complain about homosexuals having sex are also the ones denying them the ability to avoid adulterous relationships by denying them marriage. No where in the Bible does it say that two men or two women cannot marry each other. It gives lots of examples of marriages consisting of one man and one woman, and it says to go out and procreate, but obviously not everyone does that. The bottom line is that people don't like homosexuals because they are different, and use the Bible as a weapon against them. Segregationists did the same thing with blacks.
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I LOVE this answer.
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I dont think Christian are throwing stones! We are just relaying the Truth of God :
Jesus told the woman to go and Sin no more!! THEREFORE, He knew she was sinning and commanded her to 'stop' and not do it again!
So we, as Christians are letting them know they what they are doing IS a sin in the Eyes of God! That they need to
'Go and Sin no more(repent)!
Noah did the same in the days before the flood!
John the Baptist did the same in the days just before Jesus came!
Jesus told all of us to : ' go, preach the Gospel in all the Earth'!
It is not our job to insist on their repentance----rather to tell them WHY
they should turn from this sin !
NOT BECAUSE 'I think this or that'--
BUT BECAUSE GOD SAID SO!
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We dont want any to perish any more than God does!

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@Lily: The woman in the "cast the first stone" parable was a believer. Jesus was simply reminding her of the obligation of her religious belief. Telling homosexual not to be a homosexual because it against YOUR belief rather than his or hers, is not at all the same. No one has any reason or obligation to abide by the rules of game they are not playing.
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ADULTRY? So if homosexuals get married..... Its not adultry?
Well, why not let those who 'love' their pets...... Perhaps they want to marry their animals.... If the worldly laws can change to make it legal..... Then it wouldnt become a beastiality sin?
Scripture says God abhores this just as much as He abhores Homosexuality!
Its ALL ADULTRY/ALL SIN.
Mans laws can not make it "legal in the eyes of God".
They are just trying to get "AROUND"
the Law of God!
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Man, this line of questioning really gets old! We cannot marry children, pets, and kitchen appliances because they cannot give informed consent. No one who supports marriage equality is trying to make it moral in the eyes of God. We are trying to make it legal in the eyes of the state -- just as divorce is immoral in the eyes of God, but legal in the eyes of the state. In this nation there is a marked difference between what a particular religion thinks is right and wrong, and what we provide for in the way of legal freedoms.

Take this hypothetical example. A couple of opposite-sex Satan worshipers engaging in sadomasochist sexual practices with multiple partners have decided they want to get married for no other reason than to avail themselves of the 1,100 federal rights and benefits of civil marriage. They would most certainly be denied the marriage sacrament by most any religion, but they can still be legally married by a Justice of the Peace. Why should that couple be allowed to marry when a monogamous, committed same-sex couple cannot? Agree with their behaviors or not, it's their business.
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I hate when people throw that line out. If Steve and Adam can get married, why can't I marry my horse? HOW dare someone compare a PERSON to an animal.
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I think it is an ignorant, simple-minded thought, transmitted from someone perceived to be a leader to someone devoted to being a follower. It lacks common sense, or even any logic. The one that bothers me the most is when people ignore what Jesus said to the people wanting to judge Mary Magdalene--to let the person who is without sin throw the first stone. They ignore this and think they are justified in throwing stones at homosexuals...how is that Christian. Weird and really frustrating to me.
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@Koichan: It has been explained to me that the difference between homosexuality and the woman who was to be stoned is that the woman repented of her sins whereas practicing homosexuals do not. But here's why that doesn't hold up. The woman was a practicing Jew and knew she was sinning. The stoning punishment was according to the Mosaic Law which she agreed to abide by as a Jew. Jesus told her to go and stop sinning and she subsequently repented of her sin. Homosexuals who do not believe in the Bible do not believe they are sinning, so there is nothing to repent. Christians who condemn homosexuals are attempting to hold non-believers to a divine law that they have not agreed to follow nor believe in the divinity of the source.
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I think I understand what you are saying, and I agree. What I am saying is that the woman, and for the purposes of this discussion, homosexuals, are God's business, no one else is qualified to judge her. If Jesus did not judge her, who are we to think we have the wisdom to do so. In my example, it is not the woman and what happened to her that I am pointing to, it is the fact that Jesus said not to judge unless you are "without sin." Why do people who profess to love and follow Jesus, pick and chose which of his instructions they will obey? And for that matter, allow others to interpret for them what Jesus meant? These are clear directions, why do we need someone else to profess to know hidden meanings behind clear words?
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Got it, Koichan. Agreed.
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Depends on what concept of god your step-son believes in. But if we are talking about the God of Abraham, I would say emphatically "NO". Why would your step-son even bother believing in a God that, according to the Old Testament, thought so little of him that he made it a requirement that he should be executed for acting the way he was born?

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What did Jesus say, specifically about gays? What did Jesus say a out how to treat others? It's pretty simple.

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No, not realy.
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I agree with you MAC57, and you will note that kaligirlagain has no answer to your question...wonder why? Maybe because no one has told her how to think about this issue. I don't know about her, of course, but I do know that many people who profess to follow Jesus are unwilling, or unable, to read what he said and get it--they need someone else to tell them what Jesus meant. I think that's sad. To me it says that these people think they cannot be close to God and understand what Jesus said about God for whatever reason, and chose to accept what someone else says Jesus meant when he spoke. God is there and available for everyone, just like the sun shines on everyone who chooses to stand in the sun. That's what else seems simple to me.
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*choose, not chose to accept...
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Good answer, not often I see thought go into biblical study, kudos.
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Thank you yourself! Stars to you also!
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Thanks for your deep thoughtful insight.
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God willlove him but He does not accept the sin, esp when committed purposefully knowing Gods stand on it Once someone truely accepts God and Christ we have to at least TRY to live according to Gods will and He has made it clear that sex between people of the same gender is very displeasing to Him. Becoming a Christian does not change this fact. People may try to rationalise their sins any way they can but rationalizations to not eliminate Truth. Your son can love his partner but the sex will never be acceptable to God. He will stand befor God in judgement on this one day and he probably wont get the judgement he thinks he will.

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Ask yourself why did God destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Deuteronomy Ch.29:23
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You'll find that the most advanced and peaceful civilizations on earth have done away or are doing away with all and any laws found in religious Scripture. This is why the United States' First Amendment ISN'T "Only worship the Christian God".

Now Somalia??? There you have a strict religious government, and it's PARADISE over there. Trust me.

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God accepts us as we are, but doesn't want us to stay as we are. We are sinful people that need forgiveness and a new life. Your step-son is attempting to justify his sin. Yes, God wants us to be happy, but with the happiness that He gives, not what others consider happiness.

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God loves us unconditionally, but we have to stand for what God's word says. There are several scriptures that point out that homosexuality is a sin.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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You should have included a parenthetical clarification following that first scriptural reference to the effect of: (this was God's law that homosexuals be executed). That way there is no mistaking what God is reported to think about homosexuals -- assuming you believe the Bible is infallible.
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Not to mention the Corinthians verse doesn't say homosexuals in the Greek. It says "effeminate", which to the Greeks did not mean gay but men who were cowards in battle.
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Just noting that Adulterers are grouped with homosexuals in this list.... I'm wondering if all those cheating individuals link themselves in the same catagory of sin as a homosexual??? Doubtful. (something to think about)
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First, whom are we to judge, only our Creator. God is the only One that truly knows our hearts. He's the only One who truly knows your stepson's heart. But if Christ has become the Lord of his life, then the Holy Spirit will began to deal with the sin of homosexuality in his life. God loves all His children, He created each and every one of us, it's the sin that he hates.

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But if his children is homosexual, does He love him or not? And why would He create homosexuality if He hates it? Keep in mind that homosexuality is not a choice. I'd say that if God is all good, then he would accept him no matter what his skin color is, gender, or sexuality.
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The Bible says God is not accepting of the gays, but the God that I've come to know accepts gays. I don't see why He wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with loving someone unconditionally of the same gender.

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Kudos to you for thinking outside the box (although I am sure many Christians will tell you that thinking for yourself is wrong). Romans 1:26-27 -- an oft-used biblical weapon in the war on homosexuals -- says that people "exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones" because they "were inflamed with lust". At that time there was no awareness of sexual orientation. It was assumed that everyone was the same and the only reason someone would be interested in a person of the same sex was because of unbridled lust. Now we know different. We know that if a person is homosexual, following that person's "true nature" would be to seek out a same-sex relationship. The description of unbridled lust does not describe gays and lesbians who want a monogamous, loving relationship.
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Nothing wrong with living them, true. Having sex with them is the wrong thing.
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I think Lior meant 'loving' but regardless... I just don't see you saying these types of things about other ridiculous Biblical dictates.

"That woman dared be in a public place while on her PERIOD? I mean, having her period is fine, but being in public is the wrong thing."

"That male child is uncircumcised?? We should all abandon him! Let's go! There's simply no excuse for that kind of filth!"

"Did that child just curse at his or her parents? When's the public execution!! Can't wait!"

(one more)

Did that guy just use God's Holy Perfume? (Holy Water, perhaps?) Exile him!
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EDIT- For the people who believe in god, they should know that God is Love. Unfortunately, many times man isn't.

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Hey Sincerity! How have you been?
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Doing great J to the 13th !! I hope all is well with you. :-)
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God loves homosexuals. He died for them, and for their sin of homosexuality, and for my sins too. Non the less, it is a sin in Gods eyes. What I don't understand is how homosexual people can say that God will accept them but they don't take the time to study God's word on the matter. I think it's a rebellion against God. I think they don't want to accept the truth because its not convenient to them.

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If you are going to go around claiming inborn traits are a sin you might as well still be killing left-handed people.
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Oh, those Sinister people!
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"Love the person, not the sin", somes it up pretty well. That's what they tell you to do. You can accept gay people, just not condone what they are doing. It's like any other sin...

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God says it is an abomination.

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According to Mosaic Law from whence that edict comes, homosexual behavior is punishable by execution. Is that what you are advocating for by that comment? Otherwise, you should probably drop all the "abomination" stuff and stick with New Testament scripture which will say that Christians are no longer bound by Mosaic Law (although one still must wonder why God, even at one time, thought it acceptable to kill homosexuals.)
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How did I know someone was going to comment something against my answer? Huh. What are the odds?
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Hey, somebody's gotta do it. I didn't want your answer to feel lonely.
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It would rather be alone.
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Ok now I feel bad.. Sorry about that comment.
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No problem. I operate on the assumption that, this being a public forum, all posters should (1) expect their view to be challenged, and (2) be ready and willing to defend that view. But one also has the option of not responding to a challenge if they don't want to for any reason, and I wouldn't push the issue if they don't -- unless they posted something totally heinous. So if you don't want to respond to my original post, that's fine.
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I think each and everyone of us want to be accepted. And not one without sin. To categorize one sin greater than the other is to disrespect Jesus and what He did on our behalf.

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Amen!! How are you? Don't see you much.
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Oops, this is Suzie btw.
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Hi Suzie :-)
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I remembered. I'm good, how about you? Things are finally starting to warm up around here, nice to get outdoors. I'm a wimp when it comes to being cold. Haha.
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who cares? ( i am not trying to be mean at all so shush!) i mean if the news is talking about men liking other men then why should it be on the news or why is it a bad thing to some people? that's noting important at all idc if they are like that but please take it off the news and put something more IMPORTANT! i mean i have 2 friends that like the same gender they are. and i really dont care at all because they seem happy and its a good thing to be happy because not many people are happy in on this world

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If only God could understand this -___- (that is if He existed of course!)
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MrNibble, I agree with that, why should we care, but when you are a believer in Christ, and you have a son that is gay, and we know what the word says, I just have to question.
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@Kaligirlagain: You have to realize that not everything in the bible is true (even when the bible said so) It's OK to question the bible, there are so many inconsistencies in the bible that it is OBVIOUSLY created by man. So the question is: Are you gonna let some book think for you just cause it said so? Or are you gonna think for yourself with an open-mind?
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@kaligirlagain, i know you want whats best for your son, and i know that when you are a believe in Christ then it would make it harder because it would conflict with your beliefs. I believe in god and i believe he loves us for who we are. Sometimes i question God, which i know you are not suppose to and i tell him sorry after. I hope God accepts him and if anything i will pray for him and make sure his life is full of happiness :)
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Aww, thanks MrNibbles. (had to open a new profile, got locked out of the other)
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And He will say to those on His left:
"Depart from Me/o Never Knew You!"

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How hurt will you be, lilly, if Mohammad awaits you after death, and says "Depart from me, lousy lillypad, I never knew Ye!!"?

Would you really think you'd wasted your life NOT worshipping Allah?
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But there is only one TRUE living GOD, therefore I have no worries!
Jesus paid my debt for me/ He lives thru me and i live for Him!
I do not have to earn my Salvation!
But to those who have rejected Him--- to those He will also Reject!
That is what that scripture means!
Jesus lives---- therefore I too shall live( eternally with Him).
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What i said ----- i was reciting scripture.... So dont argue with me, take it up with(Jesus) God....Its what He said!
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It was hypothetical. Please. Put yourself in place where you've died, and instead of being greeted by your one TRUE living GOD, you are instead greeted by a god that the other billion or so people follow. These people have no worries because they are convinced 100% that they have chosen right ( just like....YOU!!)

So ok. You're there, and oops, you chose wrong. Now you're facing this other God's "perfect judgment" for having chosen wrong... Will you feel like the life you spent worshipping YHWH was a "WASTE"?

We're all humans here, lilly. I don't think you would think your life was a waste--even as you face eternal damnation.
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I think you have to read the scriptures to know which way you will go!
Reading 1 John chapters one and two!
It will point out exactly how you KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!
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lilly, have you no ability to envision a possibility other than what you believe with all your little heart?
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it is a sin Jesus also did pay for our sins but doing something while knowing it is wrong is also a sin you should repent and call on Jesus to take away the spirit of homosexuality he did it for me and now I don't feel any connection with the same sex or opposites God made some people on the world to just be asexual (not liking either sex)

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Romans ch 1: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. They will get there just rewards. Leviticus ch. 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

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"..men who lie with men..will not inherit god's kingdom." Yeah pretty cut and dry doesn't take a literary scholar to understand that. God doesn't hate his children and we are all his children this is true. But he doesn't condone misbehavior simply because your acting on feelings you've allowed to develop while IGNORING HIS GUIDANCE . *facepalm.. It's funny how blurred and hard to understand God's word gets for people when it starts to conflict with their desires. Then suddenly HIS ability to reason is questioned. Interesting.

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But you'd have to actually Believe that all you are referring to is actually a truth.
Else it really is irrelevant to someone..
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@Ihave: We often complain about Christians who pick and choose the Bible scripture they wish to abide by. But we should be thankful for that. It would be a sad world indeed if people followed the letter of the law of the Bible. For instance...

A wife whose husband physically abuses her and their children cannot divorce that husband for God has joined them as one and no one is allowed to thwart what is God's will. (Matthew 19:9)

Jesus gives tacit approval to slavery by never once condemning it and actually uses the whipping of slaves in a parable showing how we should expect God to treat us (Luke 12:45-48) , and gives instructions that slaves should be obedient to their masters "with fear and trembling" (Ephesians 6:5-9).
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Hiya Cal!!
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@wittepier You are right, you'd have to actually believe what the Bible as a whole says for it to be relevant to you. But that's the discussion at hand. If you don't believe in God and his scriptures anyway, I guess it doesn't matter what he thinks right or wrong.
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@CalTex Those are misinterpretations of scriptures, but I won't go into that right now.
You said that "we should be thankful" for "Christians who pick and choose the Bible scripture they wish to abide by.". And that "it would be a sad world" if people followed a letter of the law of the Bible. What about the 'fruitage of the spirit'? What about the parts of the Bible that explain God's love of love and hatred of hatred; the parts that talk about the life of Jesus and the things he taught us while he was here? His sacrifice? (You likely don't believe any of that even happened..but) All of those things and more are completely just irrelevant simply because there are a few parts of the Bible that you don't agree with based off of YOUR understanding of it? I see. That's what I was saying about God being questioned and misunderstood when he's.. inconvenient for societies conscience at the time.
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@IHava: As an atheist and ex-Christian, I am aware that there must be a lot of misinterpretation of the Bible out there. For instance here on Ask Christians are continuously quoting Mosaic Law when Jesus replaced that law with his own. Happily for you, you must be one of the few who is blessed enough to be able to understand those scriptures that so many are not. That being the case. that is an indictment of an omniscient God who should be able to get his message across so it is clearly understood by all who read his Word rather than just a few.
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I understand your position then. You feel the if the Bible were so accurate and perfect than it would actually, "work". People would understand it and there wouldn't be misconceptions at all. I get that. But that can be explained you'know. (Your probably thinking "I bet you can 'explain' it" -_- lol) but.. You said I must be one of the few that can understand the Bible. [I know you were probably just being sarcastic but] To be serious I'm not just a Christian I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't know if you're familiar with them or not but if not I'd say it's simply because we have a bad wrap. Do to our strangely unwavering loyalty to the scriptures and non-traditional religious values. I assure you though we aren't a Cult lol. Cult is a a strong word with bad connotations; we don't sacrifice people, we DO believe in having fun [good clean fun], we don't smoke or harm the body if we can help it, we stay completely neutral in political matters, we don't accept blood because Jesus said not to consume it plain and simple. That's weird anyway; and we don't celebrate birthdays or holidays.. because we've come to an understanding that birthdays and the holidays have pagan backgrounds that insult the true God Jehovah. We are unwavering so people (the world) doesn't like us. But I'd say one of the biggest proofs that we aren't just a crazy group of weirdos that unreasonably shield ourselves from all things "worldly" is that we are everywhere and doing everything we can as a large organization. People don't know what we do.
We preach in 236 lands worldwide and counting.
We've published our literature in over 590 languages including sign language.
We have over 7,000,000 baptized members as of this year with thousands of new ones each week.
With over 19,000,000 people attending our annual conventions and assemblies.
And we all, agree with each other on every aspect, of the Bible scriptures. Strange huh? If this doesnt interest you in the slightest I'm not exactly sure what else to say but if it does talk to one plz
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And I apologize if I came off as snide in the beginning, preaching can be frustrating, and insulting peoples intelligence is too easy lol.
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@IHave: I am very familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and now that I am an atheist rather than a protestant Christian, I have more respect for them than most other sects. The JW seem to do a better job of "walking the walk, and talking the talk" than others.

I got to know JWs in more depth after leaving Christianity for the Baha'i Faith. Baha'is and J.Ws share some overlap in terms of Jesus being a divine prophet, but not God in the flesh. However, Baha'is believe like Muslims that Jesus was a messenger of God like Muhammad. They are different from Muslims in that they believe spiritual guidance is progressive, and God sends a new messenger every 500-1,000 years as mankind's ability to understand increases. Anyway, I would say that you, as a Jehovah Witness, speak with more authority on this than others -- although we are on opposite ends of the spectrum regarding religious beliefs. But that doesn't mean we can't be civil, and you are.
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Thank you you are as well. I guess we won't come to an agreement, but it was a nice debate. Keep on searching..
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Truth IS TRUTH---- no matter how hard it is to believe!
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@Lilly: Do mean biblical truth? Like the truth that lightness and darkness were created three days before the Sun? Truth may not change, but what we accept as truth does.
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JW IS A CULT! A cult is another way of worshiping God thru other means!
Just for starters:
: the JW do not believe in the Jesus of the New Testament:
Believing that Jesus is actually Michael the Arch angel;acreated being.
They believe at death that Jesus' body was disposed of by God and Michael rose from the dead as the 'resurected Jesus'...
(Non of which is supported by scripture!)
Hebrews 1&2 present Jesus as greater than the angels. Jude 9 states that Michael does not even have the power to rebuke Satan/ yet Jesus did numerous of times(example:Matthew 16:23).
If A religion Does not believe the VERY BASICS OF THE Christian Faith... Yet profess to .... THAT MAKES THEM A CULT!
At one time the JW preached that in the year 1918- that the Holy Spirit was taken away!(later renounces that)
They had originally stated that 144000
Would go to heaven( meaning only THEM). They now say that only people who make up a special group of 144000 are able to be "spirit annointed". And that that is done thru WORKS! Why did they change that?
Because their members population had exceeded that number !!opps!
The TRUTH#1: the 144000 spoken of in scripture refers to the JEWISH NATION--from every tribe!(12000 from each tribe) they forgot about the 12000!! Rev7 and 14.
There is no basis in Rev or any other place in scripture to support the division of Christians into 2groups!
Jesus said"WHOSOEVER".
And that it is not of WORKS, but by God's Grace.... So that no one can boast!
Fit the truth of God against the constantly shifting of man's new founded religion!
Choose TRUTH.

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We do not believe in the splitting of Christians into two separate groups. And yes we believe there is an anointed 144,000 Christians that will eventually take there place by Jesus' side when they pass away. And they earn that right through works, but we knew the number of true Christians as a whole would exceed that number of course. We never believed that there would only be 144,000 of us, because how it works is there is the Earthly promise God made, and then there is the Heavenly one. We don't all go to heaven as some might think. Jehovah often has spoke of the future being a paradise on Earth and there being a large multitude of people ever growing in population, in peace without war, pain, pestilence or suffering. In the Bible.
Anyway you obviously have some bone to pick with us Jehovah's Witnesses for some reason, but if we prove no threat to you or anyone else (witch in fact we don't), even if you disagree with us there is no reason at all to verbally attack and mock our beliefs accusing us of being a "cult" by your definition when you obviously don't even have a complete understanding of us. It is... unchristlike.
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Lets face it, there is a load of stuff in the old testament that Christians choose to ignore. Most eat pork and shell fish, and thankfully most have given up the traditions of genital mutilation. And Slavery and forcing women to marry their rapists is very much out of fashion. So why choose to continue to pay any heed of that one small part of the bible.

A lot of Christians just choose to disregard the old testament in favour of what Jesus preached.

And as Jesus preached, "Love your fellow man" and 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'... I think there is a good chance that gay men would get into heaven before most of us!

And what about Jesus? After all he never married and did go around with a bunch of dudes preaching love.

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If you want to follow what the Bible says to make God happy and "inherit God's kingdom", then you would want to take God's stand about homosexuality. It is something detested by God, as seen in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 we read: "What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom."
Homosexuality is weighed along with fornication, robbing, extortion, and adultery.

I'll restate my first sentence, "If you want to follow what the Bible says to make God happy", then you will see homosexuality as He sees it.

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You use the "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" don't you?
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The only way to know TRUTH is to study God's word. God created all things and all people. That's why God gave us His hand book, teaching us how to live. What is truth ? God's word is TRUTH. "Enter by the narrow gate;for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it." Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to LIFE, and there are few who find it." ( Matthew 7: 13_14 ) In other words there is only one way ! God's way !!!!!! No one can enter into the Kingdom of God who is rebellious against God's plan and His way~~~.He is the way ~~~the truth ~~~~and the LIFE. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God can not look upon sin, that's why Jesus died and shed His blood that those who would believe in Jesus Christ would recieve EVERLASTING LIFE. It's not religion that gets you to heaven, but a relationship with the AUTHOR OF LIFE, Jesus Christ , The Messiah,The Anointed ONE !

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If they are celibate than no, I don't believe that HOMOSEXUALS are sinners. However, homosexuality that is being actively practices is contrary to the Bible and to the Christian religion in general. In other words, if you are an active homosexual (i.e.- you're trying to find a "life partner" or are in a relationship with someone of the same gender) then regardless of your personal conviction, or lack thereof, in Christ, you are sinning.

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God is a God of the heart. So, how is a non-practicing homosexual any different than a practicing one?
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