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Why do some Atheists feel the need to disprove God?

It seems like both Atheists and Christians feel the need to prove the other wrong. Now I can understand Christians trying to prove there is a God. After all in our views, if there is a God, then it changes everything about life. What I can't understand is why people who claim there is no God feel the need to disprove Him. According to their worldview he died and is gone. Even if He doesn't exist Christianity, true Christianity, makes people into better people. So why would Atheists have a problem with me believing in something that both improves my life, and the life of others?

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Most of us don't care what you believe.


The problem is that (particularly in America) Christians insist on affecting us with those beliefs. Many continually try to convert us, most pushy or insulting about it. They push their beliefs into our laws, our government, and our public schools. They push misconceptions or flat out lies about us (like we have no morals, etc). Atheists are still discriminated against in America, and according to the Pew Forum the most hated minority.
We aren't trying to "disprove god"- don't flatter yourself. We just want Christians to keep their beliefs to themselves.

As for on here- this is a discussion forum. If you post statements of belief as though they are facts, they will be challenged.

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Goes both ways.
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Funny, but atheists aren't going around trying to deconvert Christians or push atheism in laws and schools (keeping religion out of them as per the Constitution is not the same at all).

Your attempt at Tu Quoque fallacy falls flat. Give me a call when the atheists tract your car or show up at your door, or when they start demanding that schools teach there is no god.
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When you guys face the same discrimination we face every day, when states try to proclaim Christians can't hold public office, when an entire town runs a Christuan student out with death threats for his religion- then you can talk about "vice versa".
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I'm so sorry Skepkitten that Christians have hurt you so bad that way. I don't know what cult you came across but not all of us are like that. They give the rest of us a bad name. I hope you will accept my apology on behalf of Christians who condemn that behavior?
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There is no harm that comes from teaching the word of Jesus Christ, and you act like all Christians push it on you and you know they don't.
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The people are trying to take God out of schools everyday.
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This is true trinity. Not all Christians are like Westboro Baptist.
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@Deb: There's lots of harm that comes from it. Jesus himself was crucified and beaten because he taught the teachings of Christ. How can you say that there ISN'T any harm in teaching it? And not all Christians push it on us, but a lot of them do.
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The westboro are anti Christs. They pretend to be Christians but do all they can to make people hate us and destroy the Christian name. They are hate, Jesus is love, they are evil and disgusting.
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I probably shouldn't have asked this. Not that its a bad questions but from what I've heard the only people that could actually answer it would be too busy. Most of the answers from atheists have shown that it is not a normal act, merely a rare defense mechanism used when people try to shove God down their throats. To all the Atheists and Christians who respect each-other's beliefs: I salute you. The world needs more people like you.
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It's hard to limit religious speech in a nation with the Constitution and the First Amendment. If you want Christians to keep quiet about their faith, please work to repeal the First amendment first. It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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Shinypale it seems that she has been traumatized by some religious cult in her past. Cults have been known to force people into listening by many aggressive means like tying people up, drugs and such. She seems to have been harmed by people calling themselves Christian. She needs love and understanding as well as prayer to help her heal. Something needs to be done about these cults who destroy people in this manner.
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Trinity, that's the most absurd and insulting assumption I've ever read here. Being strongly opinionated about the obvious detrimental and continuing effects of christianity on society is not indicative of being the victim of any cult. You have some nerve.
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I fail to see how you came to that conclusion
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Trinity's conclusion not Zane's
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Zane, nerve? What are you talking about? Didn't you read, she said she has had religion shoved down her throat? How could that be? Unless she is unable to walk. She has had her rights taken away and laws pushed at her. She didn't dispute anything I said only you have. I didn't believe in Christ myself once and I've lived all over the country and with many Christians and not once did I ever get harassed or assaulted in the manner she's suggesting. Not even close so she had to be traumatized by some cult. You have no idea how they are. They are vicious! I've listened to Skepkitten a few times on here. She really is upset with Christians who did this and only cults do!
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Trinity, Skeptikitten is referring to the negative impact that christianity as a whole has on society. You, and your beliefs are not special. Your belief, qualifies as cult-like, the same as any other religion, or sect of christianity. And if you've never noticed the damage that christianity promotes as truth and love, then you are incredibly devoid of the ability to grasp reality. I'm sickened by your arrogance.
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Zane do you believe that the WBC is a Christian group?
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@Trinity: First, I find the condescending tone of your previous comment to be offensive. I cannot speak for Skeptikitten, but it is certainly many Christians' dream to think that all atheists are atheists because they have learned to hate God for some reason. I know this because I was a Christian (and not a Christian cultist -- unless you consider the Presbyterian church a cult.) I have seen the intolerance generated by Christian belief specifically, and religious belief in general. By having religion shoved down our collective atheist throats is to say we are demonized and told we are without morals and the only way we can be seen as worthy in the eyes of a Christian society is to admit we are wrong and accept Christ as our personal savior. We have to fight to keep our secular schools secular as they were intended to be. And btw, I do not consider Westboro Baptists to be Christians -- only Christian inspired.
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I do. The only qualification necessary to be christian, is to claim salvation in christ. Technically, they are.
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Trinity, I'd already drawn the same conclusion of you, long ago, thanks to your pig headed assumptions of atheism. Expect no better in return. And kill the sad projectionism angle you're using to draw attention away from your foolishness. It isn't working out for you.
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Goes to show how much you actually know about Christianity there Zane. I'm out of here. I was actually sticking up for this person when the Christians were upset. For anyone to think we shove things down their throats or harass them have either been a hostage of a cult, exaggerate situation, paranoid or completely insane. Have a wonderful day! Peace!
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@Zane: I can see now why you don't like Christianity.
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Gosh, I'm going to miss you. .
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@Zane: I posted this to understand why people act certain ways. Your input is valued and I would ask you to please refrain from insulting others.

@Trinity: Our God says turn the other cheek. Listen to Him.

@Both: I know you aren't going to agree. However this is not a place for your arguments and you both are starting to look a bit childish. Keep it civil, keep it nice.
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Interitus, it isn't christianity I dislike. It's those who would exploit it under the guise being 'true christians' while wallowing in their own hypocrisy. You just witnessed a perfect example.
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Duly noted.
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As that is true, that all you need to do to be saved, is to accept Jesus Christ as Lord & Savior, are "they" living by the fruits of the spirit, as the Lord commands, no.
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And, as I do respect Skepti for her intelligence, she does, most of the time, seem rather angry.
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@Zane: Trust me I share your dislike for people like that. I am a Christian and I follow the two Commandments Jesus said where the greatest. "Love thy neighbor." and "Love thy God."
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Loven, speaking in a literal or matter-of-factly manner, is not always synonymous with anger.
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Our anger stems from the fact that Christians cannot keep their belief system private but must push it onto others and into our laws, our schools, and our government. We are marginalized every day- and not by "cults" but mainstream Christianity. If I could have a nickel for every person that assumed I must be immoral, or a Satanist, or "angry at god" just because I'm an atheist, I'd be a millionaire.

I have not been traumatized. I have never been assaulted by cults. I used to BE Christian. Your assumptions that everyone who disagrees with your religion and wants you to stop trying to force everyone to live by it are "angry" or "hurt" is not only wrong but also condescending and rude.

Religion is being removed from schools because it never belonged there in the first place- this is not some assault on Christians but enforcement of the constitutional protection from government endorsement of religion. It is not in any way pushing atheism- you will not find one single instance where any school is teaching children there are no gods, nor any atheist group attempting to have this done.

As for "why Christians"? The Hindus aren't tracting my car and coming to my door on Saturdays. The pagans aren't pushing their creation myths in my science classroom or decrying established science. The Buddhists aren't trying to deny some Americans equal rights because of writings in the Sutras. Only Christians seem to think their beliefs must be foisted on all.
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And stars to that, Skepti! Those points were well stated and ultimately true.
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I apologize for the Christians who have tried to shove God down your throat. I myself am Christian. I believe that that I am called to spread the Good News. I try to do this by living a life that shows Christ's love and engaging in meaningful conversations. I do not try to force my beliefs on others, I simply stand by my beliefs and explain them when I can.
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Where do you live? I have never met people like that. It's shameful. Sorry you're treated that way but just try to stay away from them and don't let it bother you. I'm serious, we are not all like that. I know some can be extremely over zealous and even annoy me but I just ignore them.
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Oh and I'm TOTALLY with you on the coming to my door thing. In this day and age I seriously resent some stranger pounding on my door to get me to open it to tell me their version of God. I am with you there.
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Hey, Trinity. . .*you're* one of them.
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@Both: One of you just please stop this. This is not the place and frankly it is making you both look childish. Just stop.
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Fair enough. I'm through. Good day.
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Good day to you to sir.
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@Interitus: I am, sorry to say, with Trinity on this. This is a public forum and everyone is free to express themselves as they see fit. I would love for all discussions to be civil and end with a virtual handshake, but that is not reality. We should all defend our positions passionately if we feel harm is being done--albeit civility need not be discarded. I am politically active and see real harm being done by the religious right in this country. Certainly not all Christians support everything the political arm of the religious right says or does, but we (ZANE, Skepti, and I) are defending what we strongly believe are the principles upon which this nation was founded. I have no doubt that Trinity is doing the same based on her understanding. If we are to be good citizens we must each stand up and speak out against that which harms others. That is what makes this such an amazing country; that, theoretically, we can hash out our differences with words rather than guns. Even an unresolved war of words is better than either a resolved or unresolved war of weapons.
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@trinity-
I think you must be living somewhere quite sheltered. I live in a pretty liberal state, not the Bible Belt. The bombardment and intolerance occurs in every corner of America. And while not all Christians are proselytizers (which does include you- anyone who talks about the "good news" ultimately starts poking their nose into what other people believe unsolicited), a majority have intolerance or hatred for atheists as shown by recent research. Over two thirds of Americans polled stated atheists a more hated and mistrusted group than any other, including gays, Muslims, and even convicts. The average American polled said rapists were more trustworthy than atheists. It is not just the prejudice of fundamentalists, it is mainstream. You, good intentions or not, have contributed to this by making huge assumptions about why we feel the way we do or why we are atheists.
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Trinity, I am one of sixteen democrats in an area of 750 members of the Christian Right, who bully me constantly for being a liberal democrat. If any side is at fault, it's yours.
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Not all atheists need to disprove that there is a god. Like not all Christians need to prove there there is one. There are just people on both sides that need to prove they are right.

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I have also yet to figure that out.

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You also gave yet to figure evolution out.
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I have figured out evolution. But I have also figured out why it can't be true.
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How can it not be true? There is loads of evidence, like the fossil record.
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maybe bcz their believes are the most rejected ,so they feel the need to express them ,dw

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No. World is becoming more atheist every day. At least places someone would want to live.
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but still christianity is the most known
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and even islam
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I don't think it does. It's a comforting fantasy given to children, which they hold onto out of hope and fear. Christianity, honestly, has been used to excuse such things as slavery and has been the reason for wars such as the Crusades. And it takes away from people getting the credit for being good. Someone does something brave and good, and people just say "Thank God" who did nothing. What makes people good is logic and reasoning, to be honest, not believing in convoluted religious doctrines designed to make certain men rich and powerful.

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Please note I said "True Christianity". True Christianity says "love thy neighbor".
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I guess my true question is:

According to you my God does not exist. So why does it bother you that I choose to love the world, and live my life as such, in order to please Him?
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This IS true Christianity.
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It's a was basically invented to make people abid by the rules.
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@interitus: Simply BECAUSE you're only doing it to please him. I mean, I would accept and appreciate any kind act but if someone said they're doing it so they can go to heaven or so they can please the god they believe in, then that really upsets me. I mean, I want you to be kind to me because you WANT to; NOT because of the god you believe in.
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If you kept those beliefs to yourself we wouldn't care.
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Good answer but the bible can't be blamed for promoting slavery. To understand the situation with slavery you must know old Jewish law. It says that men and women can only become slaves of they sell themselves and children can become slaves if their parents both agree to sell them, this is done when a family is incapable of providing for itself. It allows people who otherwise would have starved to death to be safe fed and properly sheltered for a certain amount of years (which they choose) and at the end of those years they are actually paid for their service ! No where in the bible does it tell anyone to take people and make them work for them, nor does it say anything about people being unequal (the slavery n Joshua is a different story and more complicated lol) so my point is that slavery was a very necessary way to ensure a thriving economy and slaves were always treated fairly and paid (which technically means they weren't slaves anyway)
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@TheSilentNinja: Thank you for the second comment. This is actually one of the best answers I have heard so far. The first comment I disagree with and I pray that God puts people in your life that show you what true followers of Christ are like.
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And I hope that Allah places true Muslims in YOUR life, so that you may know what true Muslims are.
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thesilentninja also in islam u say Allah permits this and not that,thanks Allah (l7mdo ll Allah)
thus,u didnt show real islam in ur cmnt(when they say i did that for God to put me in heaven) .
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...it upsets me).
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@whitehearted: EXACTLY! I didn't show real Islam in my comment. And that's why I said that I hope Allah shows a true Muslim to him.
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Me too. It's kinda strange, but the more I learn about other worldviews, the more I understand my own.
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I'll welcome hearing about most other worldviews. I draw the line at the ones that preach hatred. Those I tend to stay away from.
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why u did that?!!! u would have been the real muslim but sadly u decided to mislead him.
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interitus me too :)
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Look if God sent a person into my life that could explain what Islam actually is ( instead of the radical terrorist variety the media says it is) I would actually be happy to listen. I probably wouldn't agree but I would try to understand. The more you understand about others, the more peacefully you can try to live.
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well....media lies :)
i know muslims and they r so sweet!!
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If it so peaceful than why are they blowing people. I don't see that religion of being peaceful. If you study where Islam came from you would know the identity of its false hope in the world that it gives.
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I'm going on the educated guess that there is more to their beliefs than simply "Kill thy neighbor" and that true Muslims aren't the radical terrorists we always hear about.
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interitus well said :) thumps up ;)
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Well I'm sure this isn't for all atheist but the ones who truly have tried to disprove God to me have been the ones that I get the feeling can't accept God. Atheist will try and tell you that people made God up because they are scared to die and want some fluffy bunny god up there to do things for them. When in actuality I think atheist don't want to accept God because they are scared to submit their life to a higher power and admit that are wrong. I realize that not all atheist are like this and some truly believe that science explains everything but I think the ones who aren't willing to listen to another opinion do it because their scared sometimes. Hope this helps

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@Known: Your response is reflective of the majority of Christians who have very little understanding atheism. That is understandable since religion -- Abrahamic religions in particular -- have painted us as demons for thousands of years. I have NEVER known an atheist who was an atheist out of fear of anything. And we don't say religion was made up because people were afraid of dying (although that might have ultimately been one element in the mix). Humans for millions of years have depended on our ability to question and learn. We have an innate yearning to understand our world. When chaotic events happened belief in a supernatural force gave us succor when we otherwise were unable to understand the cause. Like disease must be caused by demons because we couldn't see the microbes, yet our family members seemed to drop dead for no apparent reason. Eventually we were able to explain disease with germ theory. and subsequently demons, for the most part, were abandoned by religion as a cause of disease. Same with the beliefs in a flat Earth and a universe revolving around it. Science does not, and never will, explain everything. But it has served us quite well so far.
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I have been told I believe in God because i fear death countless times by atheist. Stating that perhaps some atheists don't want to believe in God out of fear is simply my opinion. I don't think it's accurate to say I have no understanding of atheism seeing as I was at one time an atheist and through studying the sciences I became a believer. I apologize that religious people have "painted you as demons" in the past. That surely isn't a biblical practice (not from the bible I use anyway)
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"To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good." - Psalm 14:1 ESV

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless [atheists], the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.? (that is the lot with whom we are associated.) - Revelation 21:8 ESV

"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?" - 2 Corinthians 6:14

"And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
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Not just atheists don't believe in 'God'. Atheists particularly don't believe in god because there is no evidence supporting him. No more than the evidence that there is Zeus, or Shiva. So why would they? They like to believe that there is no force outside nature, that not everything is for a reason. Just the world revolving around the sun. People believe in gods and goddess' because they need something to feel safe about. That there is always someone watching over them. But Atheists feel this isn't necessary.

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I honestly don't feel the need to disprove god. But I don't like it when believers claim that Christianity is all true or when believers claim that Buddhism (or another doctrine) is false doctrine and theirs isn't. That really bugs me. It's also because I have it shoved down my throat a lot and people aren't even willing to ask me do you want what Christianity has to offer. My answer to that is no, by the way. But I don't feel the need to disprove him. Although sometimes I do feel it's necessary to correct a Christian's argument because what's the point in your faith if it can't stand up to a challenge?

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It's also to show you that a person doesn't need to be happy in order to believe in your god. You did say that if there isn't a god, then it changes everything about the universe. Well, this is the point honestly. We don't want you thinking of us as immoral people who have no decency for the rules. we want you to realize that you there can be no god but that doesn't mean the universe changes. We want you to realize that the universe is not dependent on your beliefs.
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Necessary to correct Christians, lol lol lol lol lol That is a good one, your not the smartest apple on the tree.
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And neither are you Deb
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Deb, you're not even on the tree. Decomposition setting in after you fell to the humus layer has left you rotten to the core.
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I think it is simply because some people feel that the only way to make themselves look good is through the practice of discrediting others !

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Both sides seem to want everyone to agree with them. There are billions of people in the world. All people will NEVER agree on this subject. I was blessed to be born in Texas.. The Bible belt .. So I have a strong belief in God. BUT take Washington state... There are only 2% christians. My sister lives there & she chose the new age movement.
We must just LIVE AND LET LIVE....
Neither of us should try to force others to believe OUR way.

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i don't feel that way..i think..to each his own..if it makes you happy..then it tickles the heck out of me..

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I don't get it either. My friends don't do that but I've seen it often on Christian web sites that allow non Christians. It's very strange.

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It is indeed very strange how people can block other people while complaining about being persecuted, and believing in a completely crazy book of myths. It's even stranger how these people want it to become part of the educational system and the government.
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I find it amazing how you lump us all into one category. I do not want religion in school. I don't want someone else teaching their opinion of God.
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I don't even know what you mean by the rest. Sorry.
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They know that there is a God, or it wouldn't bother them, by denying God,and denying that they sin, they are trying to justify there actions in life.

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Deb, what a horribly inaccurate view you create for yourself. Very sad.
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Zane you are not being very nice. Many of us believe this. I'm sorry you don't understand but it's no excuse for being mean.
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Deb claiming to know the mind of an atheist is insulting, thanks to her track record of similar statements. She did not make an innocent remark, delicious-looking cookie with sunglasses.
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Deb, you are absolutely wrong.
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Deb, I didn't know you had a problem with your views being challenged. Perhaps your views are not strong enough if they can't be challenged.
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Utter nonsense. The ridiculous arrogance in assuming everyone really believes in your particular deity is astounding.
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Of course the usual bs coming from deb. I hope everyone has been on here long to realize how much of a non-credible deb is.
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There is only one God, and he is astounding .And were tired of the usual denial from you, and will post my opinion regardless. And being arrogant is thinking there is no higher power other then yourself, it's really sad. No God No sin how convenient..
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Spouting your usual nonsense doesn't make you any more convincing. Keep living your delusion, but leave the rest of us the hell alone.
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There is no 'true christianity'. All sects must be given as much validity as the next, or they all cease to be relevant. Most atheists, do not feel a need to disprove your god. That is a scenerio you've internalized as a constant to rationalize your belief structure. Theists, as always, carry the burden of proof, and constantly make the assertion that a god exists. If we point out logical fallacies, that is not an attempt to disprove your god. It is to point out the flaws in your deductive reasoning. Being able to easily discount a gods existence as a result, is only a by-product of good logic and critical thinking. If theists were able to separate their personal feelings, and 'relationships' from their beliefs for even a nanosecond, they might see how incredibly annoying and one-sided this question can be perceived.

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I apologize if my question offends you. My intention is merely to learn why certain people act certain ways.
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No offense taken. But if you read the commentary by one 'bad cookie' under another answer, you might see how it's tempting to lean in that direction when confronted with blind ignorance.
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As an atheist, I can no more prove that God doesn't exist than I can prove Zeus or the sun-god Ra doesn't exist. But like Skeptikitten said, when claims are stated as fact, then they can be expected to challenged, whether that is the claim that Obama is a Muslim, or George Bush masterminded 9/11, or Ouija Boards can contact demons. All we want is proof. And if the claims, such as the ones I listed, would not have a negative impact on society or individuals, I wouldn't care. All of us, theists and atheists, should feel it is our duty as responsible citizens to be ready and willing to speak out against anything we see as potentially harmful. Ergo, here we are.

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I don't believe "true christianity" is good. WBC is a fine depiction of Christianity and they suck. Too many problems arise from that religion. I don't need to disprove god and I rarely see others try. Rejecting claims is not the same as "trying to dsprove."

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WBC is not in any way a Christian movement. Jesus himself said "This is how they will know you are my disciples, that you love one another."
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The gospels also have "Jesus" stating that everyone who doesn't accept him as king should be slain at his feet.
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WBC thinks that protesting and shoving their beliefs down other people's throats with picket signs IS LOVING. That is how they show their love for their fellow man. By picketing and showing America that she needs to change her sinful ways or else.
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like I said, good Christians. thx for the back up lepp + skep
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You've received several excellent answers, I just had to point out that atheist don't believe "he died and is gone" But simply that a god or gods have never existed and that they have all been a construct of the human mind. Sorry but it was bugging me and no one else was commenting on it :)

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Ok thank your for clarifying that.
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Good eye, Cal:)
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Torn? Zane? I just looked up your new profile, what's wrong with the old one? :-/
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Yes, it's me. Thanks to my recurring interactions with a certain conspiracy theorist (you know the one), that account will no longer post:(
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Oh wowww.... ah well, at least I haven't seen *nutbrain* for a while now so I guess all's well that ends well :)
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It's only a matter of time, Cal, lol.
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I want to ask... but there is this little voice in my head that just staggered out of a door telling me "don't ask"
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For the sake of past experience I will listen to him.
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To clarify when I said "dead and gone" I was referring to Jesus. Since you do not believe there is a God then Jesus was just a man who died and had his body disappear. I do understand that Atheism is the rejection of the existence of any deity.
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True Zane...

Oh, I hadn't thought about that Inter, good point.
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Yea but we have no good reason to recognize jesus either really
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True there is that as well.
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Seems like there's some evil people on here. Not sure I like that. Who is "nutbrain" and who's a conspiracy theorists. Please tell me so I stay away. Interus I didn't mean to hurt any ones feelings. I thought I was being helpful to the person. But who are these people I should stay away from. I'm nervous now on here :(
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@Trinity: My only concern was that is was becoming a back and forth argument between you and Zane.
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Oh no. I only said something to him once because he got mean on someone elses answer as well. I don't like people who resort to insults. It's not nice behavior and not necessary if you really believe what your saying. Now there's a conspiracy theorist and nutbrain on here too? Not good.
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Trinity, you just don't stop, do you? I've no qualms about resorting to the same tactics that would be used on me. You opened that door. Deal with it.
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And a heads up, you're now filed away with the "nut brains" and conspiracy theorists in my eyes.
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What am I doing? Are YOU this hateful conspiracy theorist? Ok. I'm gone. Gee, your feathers ruffle easy. Maybe some Valium and Prozac is in order. You insult people constantly because they don't believe as you do, then you say they start it? That's insane.
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More of that famous zealot projectionism. Ta-ta!
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Zane, you're filed away with the paranoid, bullies and insane. Like anyone cares what you think to begin with. I'm out of here. Peace everyone.
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Oh, the irony.
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@Trinity: I did care about what you both though. Till about 18 minutes ago. When your separate ideas devolved into this.^
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You're right. I shouldn't lower myself. Thanks.
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@trinity-
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this mess started because you made an offensive, incorrect, and stereotyped comment about why I must be an atheist on my answer. Your assumption that anyone who disagrees with your religion and considers it to have had a harmful affect on our society must have been "traumatized", or be "paranoid or insane" is insulting and a bit nonsensical.
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That's interesting that you say that. Sorry you feel that way over a kindness shown to you.
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@Trinity: Just stop. Now. Please.
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Or explain yourself because the way you phrased that is definately going to lead us further down this brambly rabbit trail
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Trinity gets it wrong yet again......not surprising. You'd have to honestly refuse to understand how condescending and offensive your comments are to say "what am I doing wrong?"
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And, Trin, the fact that you actually agree with debs bs answer doesn't make you look any better.
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@TheTrustyLepp: NO! Don't mention his name. He is gone. Just let it end. For the love of all that is good on this dear planet, just let it end.
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There you go calling your patronizing comments "kindness". Now I know for sure you are actually refusing to understand.
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This kind argument will never end people like trinity and his comments. Maybe we'll take a short intermission.
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*of
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@Interitus: All this other stuff aside, you said atheists believe "...Jesus was just a man who died and had his body disappear." We do not believe his body "disappeared". We have been told that there are people who believe Jesus rose from the dead, walked among other humans, and then ascended into heaven to be seated with God, and we consider that supernatural claim to be without proof, and highly unlikely (to say the least) given our knowledge of the natural world. If in fact someone came to the tomb and found Jesus' body missing, by Occam's razor the more likely scenario would be that someone moved the body or they were directed to the wrong tomb. Not saying that is what occurred, but there are so many other natural explanations as to why a group of people are reported to have not seen the body -- assuming the story is even based on any fact whatsoever.
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This trinity person must live a very sheltered life, perhaps he/she hasn't received a broad education or worse, was home schooled. We should overlook her/his misconceptions because we all know how Christianity brainwashes a lot of its followers..
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@trinity-
You were not doing a kindness. You were making a condescending assumption about why I feel or believe as I do with absolutely no evidence to support you. This is part of what we have all been saying- the sheer arrogance of Christians who claim to know why we are atheists or that no one could possibly not believe in their religion or find it harmful to society if they weren't "traumatized"- you even went so far as to suggest that anyone who finds Christianity harmful or says Christians are pushing their beliefs must either be traumatized or paranoid/insane!
This sort of perpetuation of myths about atheists and hidden language of condemnation is not nor ever will be a kindness.
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Zane.... I'm glad to know you aren't gone. Who reported you, if you are fine with telling me? Fresh blood.....
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Hey, Zoo. It's fine, lol. I'd hate to have it happen to anyone else.
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Noooooo..... You shall be avenged!
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Onward, riders of Rohan! Shields shall be shattered! Cookies shall be eaten!
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Lol, Zoo!
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Lmao!!! Good one Zoo!

Oh well, I guess my psychology experiment has gone untested. I had hoped Trinity would experience what condescension and stereotyping felt like :-/
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Nah. I think it's too late for trinity, but we can lessen the blow for others.
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Guess that's the way the cookie crumbles
(Offense: Not intended. Pun: Slightly Intended)
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@Caltex: Disappeared as in how a missing person has disappeard. As In you haven't found it yet. If you believe it was there in the first place.
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Many famous people have supposedly existed, yet we do not have a body. Mozart and Moses come to mind.
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Lol, Inter.

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Because the belief in gods has caused and is causing untold human suffering.

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That is a result of the misinterpretation of God's instructions.
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Well that's all fine and well, but as god is to chicken sh@t to prove its existence, or it doesn't exist at all. How are we to know what gods word is, or how to interpret it.
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He gave us a book about it.He tells us in our hearts. He sends the Holy Spirit to guide us.
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The widely accepted view about my God is that he is kind and loving, even if you do not believe in Him you must admit that the actions you claim arise from a beleif in him to not match the behavior one would exhibit because you a belief in a kind and loving God.
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I don't know because atheism basically makes their life meaningless

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