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Who did Jesus say he was, God, or the Son Of God?

Please take note of the context of John 10:31:36

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John 10....Jesus claims to be God :::::
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30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

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Imagine if someone today came out claiming that he and God are one, how would that be accepted, in light of today's media? My bet is he would be a pariah at best, publicly scorned and possible death threats.
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@ theZ - he was persecuted in his time as well. The very next verse shows the Jews accusing him of bladphemy and trying to stone Him. Unbelievers will always and forever persecute and try to destroy what they dont understand and refuse to accept. Its the way of satan.
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That is right Aux..
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Just as believers tried to destroy the works of great minds such as Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Darwin. You are a raging hypocrite Strawberry, and your posts expose that fact without fail.
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Apologies to Strawberrygirl, she wasn't guilty of the hypocrisy, this time, just another of her ilk.
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The fact is that you believers would quickly brand any person making such claims as the Antichrist and be among the first (and certainly loudest) to publicly scorn them. Hypocrites.
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Yeah, they were right. He did commit blasphemy.
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Betty, why do you stop where it suits you? John 34 is the answer to your whole misconception.

"Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods."
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He was only saying he is a "god" (as in Psalms 82:6, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you"), not that He is God himself.
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He's basically both; he said he was the messiah and our savior.

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Exactly where did Jesus say that "I am the messiah and your savior"? I fail to find those words in any of the NT books. Are you reading a different bible?
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he never said he was messiah nor did he say savior nor Christ, nor anything. he said he was god on many occasions and a few times called god father.
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he is the physical embodiment of the holy spirit...

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Thank You! Amen!
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and not to spoil anyones mood, the fact that most people will agree with the words of an atheist is startling. just goes to show you don't judge a book by its cover. Simply not knowing that when you saw my answer you thought of me as religious. I have read the bible, and i agree with the 10 commandments being the way to lead a righteous life. but I am not religious, nor do I pray to any god.
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You obviously don't believe in the Ten Commandments. You are commuting idolatry by believing that Jesus is anything other than human.
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Jesus was human, he is man. He could die. The Ten Commandments are a good set of rules to live you're life by. All religions such as Christianity like to ridicule minorities such as gays, so if being gay is wrong why would god make a man born to only be attracted to another man, not by choice or free will. Is that because he is a prick? he enjoys making people who have no choice to go to hell.... Better yet isn't he "all forgiving" why would there be a hell if he forgives everyone of their sins?
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the son of god

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Because he is, Hes the son of God and the second part of the Trinity (God, Son, Holy spirit)

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Don't worry, all of this was made up 100 years after he died. There are no records of any statements written by him, nor anyone else for the first 100 years.

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I doubt the bible could have been written right after he died. I think like any book it took time to be written.
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@bamcintyre: well said. If I may be allowed to add with you that there is no authentic record even of any MENTION of any gospels before 140 AD, even by most generous standard.
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@number1: You are very mistaken. A life story written 140 years after the deceased is obviously could not have been written by eye-witnesses. And of course a biography written so late of the events can neither be authentic nor credible. Moreover, the fact that the biography of Steve Jobs was written just within 03 months of his death, is enough to render your argument void.
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he's both him and god are one body.

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The Son of God

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Both. He often refered to God as 'my Father' but he also said 'My Father and I are One' and 'I am One with the Lord'.
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My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." (John 10:29, 30)

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Well, God is the trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; three in one. So he's all of them.

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NONE. These were attributes imposed upon Jesus by designing impostors, and conniving clergy, like Paul and John. Even if Jesus ever pretended to be any of these (of which there is no authentic evidence), then the best thing that can be said of Jesus is that, he was honestly mistaken. Even two principle gospel writers tried to prove Jesus' human origin by providing his genealogy, as immensely contradictory as they are, through Joseph upto David.


The test is too simple though! If Jesus was a god, he could not have died; if Jesus was a man, he could not have redeemed.

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he never said he was messiah nor did he say savior nor Christ, nor anything. he said he was god on many occasions and a few times called god father. He was in fact one with god in that he is 1/3 in the trinity god son and holy ghost. Jesus is now known as the physical embodiment of the holy ghost but that is a recent thing. He has claimed to be god, but this may be an exaggeration which he is known for. there is a verse where he told his over 100 disciples that in order to follow him they must disown their mother and father. basically this is now a wedding reference but disown and dishonor were similar then and only the 13 understood the exaggeration.

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What Scriptural reference can you show where Jesus says he was God? I'd like to see them.
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He is God. He is the part if the trinity. God the father. God the son. God the Holy Spirit

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Both

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Jesus said those that have seen me have seen the father doesn't imply that he's God but the son of God.

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God created man in his own image except sin. One just need to see man next to him not Jesus to appreciate the look of His Father.
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I can agree to some extent. It still makes Jesus the son of God
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@monte72, you are correct in your statement for note what John 1:18 says.
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Nice scripture Anthony I agree
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@monte72, It's really something how the Word Of God comes to it's own defense in the way it exposes wrong ideas and teachings.
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Yes Anthony I agree which is why I've come to my own conclusions that there is no Trinity. There's God the father the son and the holy spirit. Three separate entities but working for one unit. I try to explain myself to other denominations of my way of thinking but we can go back and forth looking in the scriptures. Some people could and will never change but I know what I believe. One good example is the resurrection of Christ after 3 days. I tell them who do you think resurrected Christ? Himself? Or the time he was praying all night while his disciples fell asleep. Who did he pray to? Himself? There's lots of examples and I can go on and on all day bro of why the trinity is false
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I understand. The fact is that many just like hanging on to tradition instead of truth. Have you ever spoken with Jehovah's Witnesses? Much of what you say about Jesus sounds allot like what they believe.
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Yes I have. They are well mannered and enjoyable individuals. We never got into long conversations but I've read the Watchtower and Awake periodicals before
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If Christian faith is induced, consolidated and maintained as well as sustained by the one and only Holy Ghost (Paraclete) where are all these differences coming from? why not just love God as you love yourself and your neighbour as your self too?
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I do love God and my neighbor. What are you talking about?
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@DonQuixote, the reason why there are so many differences is that many, although they claim to be Christian, do not really accept everything the Bible really teaches. For example, some choose to water down what the Bible says on moral issues and in doing so they create their own belief system to suit their preferences.

monte72, I've found Jehovah's Witnesses to be as you describe as well. Their approach to the Scriptures really appeals to me because they don't give their own interpretation on matters but allow the Scriptures to have the final say. I like that.
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You are right Anthony. To many religions interpret the bible how they see fit to they're needs. I like the whole honest truth and no sugar coating.
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@monte72, a book that I've found to be very helpful is called "What Does The Bible Really Teach?" It's produced by Jehovah's Witnesses. You might find it helpful as it takes the approach that we discussed..
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Interesting Anthony ill check it out. I usually see JW'S walking my street Saturday's and Sunday's. I'll ask one of them to order me one thanks bro
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No problem my friend.
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In the Gospel of John, Jesus referred to Himself as the "Son" Who was "sent" from the Father (John 3:16-17; 5:23; 6:40; 10:36). Clearly, this is a special claim. On one of those occasions, Jesus based His authority to heal on the Sabbath on the fact that His Father was working. This infuriated some of the Jews. John explained: "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" (John 5:18). To identify Jesus as the Son of God is to acknowledge His genealogical connection to Israel, His right to the throne of David, and His unparalleled nearness to God. To confess that Jesus is the Son of God is to declare as true Jesus' claim: "He who has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:9).

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Calling himself the son of god is blasphemy.
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How's it blasphemy?
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Don't worry strawberry, labelma doesn't know what she's talking about or she would of responded
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Of course I know what I'm talking about. Do you expect me to reply in 2 minutes? It's blasphemy because no one can be god, or part of god, or a relative of god except god himself.
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That's not what strawberry said. If you interpret the bible the way you want to interpret it then yes you will say Jesus was a God but that's not what she said. She said Jesus is the son of God. And yes some people believe that Jesus is god but I don't. There's the father and there's the son
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Hi strawberry I left a comment for you down with labelma
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None. I guess he could have one been a prophet, but he was a false one. He claims to be god, which is clearly idolatry, and blasphemy. The Jews were right to stone him, like bettyeckles had in her quote. Why do Christians completely ignore the fact that by saying he and god were the same it is clearly against the Old Testament?

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What would make him a false prophet? If Jesus claimed to be God, and was, then it wouldn't be blasphemy. Wouldn't the Messiah be God?
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What would make him a false prophet? If Jesus claimed to be God, and was, then it wouldn't be blasphemy. Wouldn't the Messiah be God?
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No, the messiah would NOT be god. No one can be god, or part of god, or a relative of god, except god himself. If you claim to be ANY of the above, that would be idolatry. Messiah would be a king like king DavidX
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Girl I don't know what bible you're reading
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I read the Torah, which is the Hebrew version of your Old Testament. I don't read the New Testament, that's all pretty much garbage according to my religion.
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Then you are of Jewish faith right? You believe in Jehovah as god but don't believe in the son? Help me understand then where you're coming from cause I'm not very familiar with you're faith
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In Deuteronomy, it says if a prophet goes against anything in the Torah, then he is a false prophet and must be killed. That is what Jesus did.
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Yahweh warns us not to forsake His Torah. Since Yeshua said He didn't come to abolish Torah, we should be taking this VERY seriously! Yeshua didn't abolish He tightened and strengthened God's original teaching and instruction! Take, for instance, the things He espoused in Matthew 5:

Matthew 5: 21 "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,'shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Matthew 5: 27 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Does this sound like someone who "abolished" God's original teaching and instruction?
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Yeshua's intent was not to abolish or weaken or emasculate the Laws of Yahweh, revealed in the Old Testament, but to expand and magnify them to their full spiritual intent and conclusion; to show their full meaning, purpose, and relevance; to reveal their spiritual and supernatural nature and basis; to show that the commandments lead us by necessity to FAITH in him as the Messiah. We do not earn salvation by works, but by Faith in Yeshua the Messiah, who died for our sins, and who now gives us his spirit to enable us to fulfill the righteousness of the Law (Acts 2:38; 5:32; Gal.2:20). The Messiah did not replace the Law of Yahweh with Faith alone, but rather gave us inward Faith, through his spirit, to enable us to observe the holy commandments of God! Yet, with the advent of Christianity, the "Old Testament", along with God's original teaching and instruction, basically became null and void because they mistakingly think "Torah" equates to "law". BIG MISTAKE!...

The apostle Paul knew this truth and wrote to the believers in Rome: Does it follow that we abolish Torah by this trusting? Heaven forbid! On the contrary, we confirm Torah (Romans 3:31). Not one "jot or tittle" was abolished from the Law of God.
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Interesting how as soon as you find out I'm Jewish, you switch to using Jesus's Hebrew name as if it will make me believe he is the messiah. Certainly Jesus did not disrupt anything from the Old Testament, it's not like Christians don't follow te laws or anything. The fact that you believe the Old Testament is null and void is proof enough that Jesus was false.
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Jehovah is the Hebrew name of God. The sin of god is Jesus Christ. I do not wish to argue with you. I'm interested in knowing why you don't think Jesus was the messiah. I'd like to know what you believe. I know nothing of the Jewish faith. I'm open ears to all religions. I'm not a hater as long as you show no rudeness. Also, old or new testament makes no difference to me the bible is the word of God. Indulge me please on you're faith
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Jehovah is not the Hebrew word for god. The is no j in the Hebrew language. I have said why Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah many times. In Deuteronomy(not sure where) it says if any prophet says anything at all the goes against what is in the Torah that makes him a false prophet. Jesus did that, therefore he was a false prophet.
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Please tell me what Jesus said that was against the Torah.
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Jesus' life is in sharp contrast to that of the false Messiahs, and it is a positive demonstration of what we would expect the Messiah to do. Thus, Jesus worked many miracles of healing, bringing wholeness into people's lives, forgiving sin and restoring relationships. In contrast with Shabbetai Zevi, for instance, Jesus carried out the Law of Moses as a devout Jew. And in contrast with Bar Kochba, although Jesus also died, he was resurrected!
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labelma, do you believe in the Messiah? How would you know who the Messiah was? How could you identify him? What if someone came to you today and said "I am the Messiah?" Would you be able to understand who he is? How would you know so you don't make a mistake?
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If Jesus followed the Torah, all Christians would be following it too, which I don't see happening.
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Hi strawberry this Torah she refers to is not the holy bible. Pleading a case with labelma is like trying to plead with a religious Muslim. Labelma you seem very angry with Christians what's the deal. Strawberry it no use talking with this girl shr is calling our lord and savior a false prophet which is blasphemous. Jesus followed the laws of the heavenly father not a Torah
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thanks monte
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You're welcome
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I am not angry with Christians in general. Have you met bettyeckles? She is very nice, I like her, even though she is a very religious Christian. Why? Because she respects my religion. She respects the fact that I have a right to believe what I want, and that by pushing her religion in my face, it will just make me angry, and I won't make me convert. Have you met auxarcs? I don't like her. Why? Because she calls my religion silly, and stupid, and tries to get me to believe in Christianity, and she tells me I will burn in hell. You two refuse to listen to a word I say. I have states my reason for not believing in Jesus many times, and you keep asking for my reason again and again, because you simply don't like my answer. Here's a tip for the future. If you want someone to respect you, and your religion, don't shove it in their faces and tell them they are sinners and going to hell.
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