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Do Christians truly 'love everyone'?

If Christians love everyone, and seek to be Christ-like, why wouldn't they ban together and refuse entrance into heaven unless all their fellow man has 'seen the light'? Is it selfish to not be sacrificial? What might God do if everyone refused to save themselves unless we all were saved?

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They seem to not love homosexuals, Jews, pro-choice advocates, and women.

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Their list keeps getting longer. Don't forget people of different religions, and children.
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People are flawed. They get in the way and let their poor choices portray the image of God. God is a God of love not hate. Christians who spew hate are sinning against God.
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Can add Muslims, abortion doctors, and anyone else who gets in the way of their brainwashing agenda.
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Being judgmental again today are we? Judge not lest you be judged. Just do the right thing, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". As you get older you will find that it's better that you don't mix political rhetoric with religion...unless you don't care about keeping your teeth or your heart beating depending on who's religion you're deriding. Especially Abdule the betrayer! He is likely to slip a shiney boomer in your pocket as a reward your stupidity.
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Two words: Not true.
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A [person can believe in something yet not "ihate" the person who does what they don't believe in. There is a difference. People can not like what a person "does" but love the person. It's the same as raising children. Do you hate your child when they do what you don't agree with???
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Lol, wow, Lolo, the irony of those words is too much to comment on, considering God allows the 'misled' to suffer eternal damnation for poor human choices. Con, you're none the better, brandishing a promise of violent disagreeance when the validity of someones vile mythology is questioned. Funny how no Christian here has really addressed the issue of salvation through selfishness, and only shrugged it off as their fellow man either cannot, or will not, be saved by their brothers and sisters. A fool and a hypocrite, calling others stupid and judgemental. How deliciously obvious you are.
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Hey, Zee, you left out atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Wiccans and George Carlin.
Of course, if you go down Westboro way the Baptists there hate everybody.
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Christians are supposed to reflect God. This image is often muddled because our human characteristics get in the way. The bottom line is it is not man's job to save one another. A human has to make this decision on their own, as an individual before God. God does not damn he provides the escape from this fate by paying the price of our own sin so that we might escape the grasp of our self dug graves.
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The Westboro Baptists are a cult. They do not represent the true God. And if a Christian behaves in that sort of manner that do not represent God either. God is love.
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Quite the contrary, it is mans precise job to save one another, because it is within our power to do so. If all mankind rebelled and refused salvation, would God send all of us to hell, and start anew? What sort of father could destroy his children, and make new ones to replace the.old? That certainly isn't 'love' by any definition.
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^ a sociopathic father.
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If all of mankind refused the free gift of salvation that God created and hands to each of us with open arms, it would be man's own doing that they rejected eternal life with Him. Man is incapable of saving themselves. Human history proves this point.
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Organized religion and a refusal of mankind to take responsibility for it's own destiny, in turn for assigning blame and credit to an imaginary monster has been the cause. Not inability. How do you point the finger at yourself and others, yet stroke the ego of a creature that is omniselfish?
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Who warped your mind, brother? Seems someone in your life did some damage to your understanding of God. People ruin it for others all the time by using the bible yet lives completely contrary. It does nothing but destruction espec to a child. And it no doubt that child will grow up to be angry, hate christians and havs a warped view on God.
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It is easy to view God as a crutch for the weak minded and those needing an alibi, but If we humans are not to blame for our problems and God does not exist, who is at fault for the issues that are so evident in our world? No human would dare make the audacious statement that they created the key to salvation themselves in a Godless world. Now I believe what I believe because I have faith and believe in the one true God. Whether or not you believe in God (because you have referred to Him as imaginary but you have also referred to Him as a hierarchy that must be risen up against-which implies existence) I believe in God as you don't believe in God. We are both using forms of personal opinion or faith. I am not here to convert you, I am here to defend my faith, and I respect you for defending yours (or lack thereof).
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remember, god did not write the bible and the authors also had their own agenda and vendetta against some others
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Lolo, it doesn't even matter if every christian on the planet was nice, tolerant, and accepting. The bible is the reason why some of us find the religion and the god it's based to be so repugnant. Though hypocritical christians don't help at all.
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However I am also saddened that you have hardened your heart to a truth that could give you answers and peace.
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^ what don't you get about other people being able to be just as happy, if not happier than you, without your religion?
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Lolo, does the pathetic 'someone must have hurt you' line ever get tiring? What is warped about examining the holes in your supposed gods wielding of our objective moral structure? When Christians cannot prove a point, or defend a position, they must always rely on this same boring tripe. So disappointing, so. . .typical.
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It's not always about being happy. When you know something to be true you're willing to stand up for it even if it means doing something or feeling something unpleasant.
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Lepp, they need to tell themselves this. It's how they themselves veil their insecure assertions of God. Remember, when their 'walk with christ' is threatened, they themselves are. Their oneness with God being only an ideal perception of themselves, and how they wish to be. It's purely a survival technique, self preservation at it's most misunderstood.
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An honest shame that they choose to remain willfully ignorant of reality, while their fellow man suffers the backlash of their selfishness and pride. The irony never escapes me, but the humor does, quickly.
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It sure is baffling, brother.
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Karmazov, I can understand your point of view, because I once felt the same way. I feel you have been dealt a poor hand of examples of Christians if you only think they bring suffering to the world. As for self preservation forgive me if I'm wrong, but there is some irony present. By a Christian presenting a different view of that of your own it drives you to angry argument-a defensive move. I will admit to arguing my point of view but I also made a point of saying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Also by relying heavily on insults to back your agreements you cheapen your argument.
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christians are in power of the modern world and so they get put up on a pedestal. when will the church realize all of the suffering they have caused to other religions that have been forced underground for nothing
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I can respect your maturity in debate, but let's just get to the brass tacks. Yes, when insulted by common Christian condescension, I will certainly hurl an insult back, often with a sharper tongue. Do not try try to take the high ground when you lose such an exchange. Your religion has created the ever present 'us versus them' mentality. . .essentially waging a holy war on any other belief, or lack thereof, so, you deserve little more consideration than I've already granted you. Diplomacy won't get you far when you're still failing to make a point, the whole while.avoiding my original questions. Lastly. . .this isn't me angry;)
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Forest, that's correct.
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And all the the while you know what I keep thinking? If this guy could find Christ what a fight he'd put up for his faith :) lol dude I respect your persistence but I think you've realized I'm persistent too. We're not changing each other's minds, at least not tonight anyways lol. It's been a pleasure, I'm sure I'll see you around here soon.
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Alright, goodnight Ellyn. Another time.
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You're on! :)
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I am sorry that I have left you with that impression.
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Brother, why post a question just to bash everyone? I dont u r really seeking to understand. U r picking a fight. Its obvious.
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Lolo, that isn't so. I asked a question(s) from genuine curiosity, and every Christian here completely avoided it's obvious implications. Why is this? And if you'll reread the first few comments above, beginning with Cons temper tantrum, you'll see why I went on the offensive for the rest of this thread. Add to this your fallicious attempt to shame me with labels for my thoughts (warped, yes?), and you have an award winning recipe for confrontation.
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BrotherK, like you I find some of the simple-minded comments such as Conmahs just laughable, I would quickly refer such wannabe tough guys to my profile to awaken them to what they're dealing with. I applaud your assertive dealings with the condescension, as you've echoed some of my own thoughts in the process.
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I agree, Z. Upon reading your profile, it's obvious a person like Con could never spit the same venom from across a table while sharing a pitcher. Personal accountability for internet tough guys, and their empty threats is sadly not present, thanks to online anonymity.
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I only think those really dedicated do. But most dont

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So, I take it you're not one of the dedicated? Why waste your time being a part time Cristian? And by the way, don't let someone else paint an Angel and call it a Devil in the same sentence. To love your enemies is Christ like indeed. But you have to wait untill his urge to kill you and your family has passed. An example would be the Japanese, Germans, and Italians that were once deadly enemies are now some of our closest alies and we hold them favorably in our hearts. If any are threatened by natural disaster, Military invasion, starvation, etc. we come to their aid or rescue because we care that it is the right thing to do. It's Christ like.
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Con, do you not see? The very use of the word 'enemy' promotes the 'us versus them' mentality. Why do the indoctrinated always miss such obvious points? Maybe this is why your type is referred to as such.
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1.sudzy had a point
2.the devil is an angel
3. if christ loved his enemies then they are not his enemys
4. the germs and japs are allies now because we had made a rule that they can not have an army
5.we come to their help because of empathy, if your god had this he would not have helped moses murder those egyptions.
6. who decides what is christ like. if he is so supperior then you should not be able to evaluate him, his decisions, or the outcomes.
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Well, you're supposed to, but that's not human nature. It's kinda like a goal, the higher you aim the higher you'll score. If loving everybody is 100%, and you love everybody except the terrorists we're now at war with, well I'd call that a 95%. Jesus said to love even your enemies, but that was before 9/11.

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still applies today darlin....:) It's difficult to find that fine line to be very angry at someone (s) and yet loving and forgiving at the same time, isn't it? I'm finding this on a daily basis with a a terrible boss.
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A decent answer, Tony. Thanks.
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you just cant hate anyone its fine to dislike someone but not hate
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They are supposed to, but even Billy Graham would probably admit this is easier said than done.

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Humans are sinful by nature. It is by the grace of God that we are forgiven of our sins. We are called to love like Jesus so that all may come to know Him. Christians still sin however because God gave us the ability to have free will, because He loves us. God is not a dictator who commands us like puppets. We are able to make our own decisions. If a christian is living as they should they should make an effort to love everyone. It is not possible to be perfect because we are human but that is where God's grace comes in. As for your salvation question, humans cannot save humans. Only through the salvation of Jesus Christ can someone be truly saved and gain eternal life. This is done by simply admitting that you need Jesus in your life and you truly believe in Him, and you ask Him to forgive your sins. And He surely will :)

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amen!!
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Let's not veer down the path of sin, quite yet. This is a question for people, not gods. You've proselytized, instead of issuing a genuine inquiry. Can you elaborate?
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Each person who has lived, is living, and will live has sin. By sinning each person is punishable by death, and even destined for hell. Jesus paid the price of our sin by taking our fate and putting it on his shoulders and dying in our place which is only possible by divine intervention. God made us and loves us all beyond imagine, and He longs for us to live forever with Him. This is why Jesus made the sacrifice He did. By claiming the free gift of salvation and living for God you gain eternal life.
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Sooooo. . .you completely ignored the 'path of sin' part. .in order to proselytize further? Why not answer directly?
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if you will refer to my first paragraph, it says, "it is not possible to be perfect..."
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So, you can minimize a major flaw in your theology with a catchphrase? Infinitely convenient. I suppose it's true then, with God, all things are possible. Even tying up major loose end with nonsense.
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You asked me to answer if Christians love everyone, my answer was, " it is not possible to be perfect.." With some creative reasoning you can gather how I was meaning that Christians do not love perfectly like Christ. I answered your question I don't see how I'm leaving holes in my theology.
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I posted numerous questions in the details under this one, which you never really answered. But you're right, it's late and I'm barely keeping awake. Another time.
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They are suppose to but they are human and some can be very judgmental. As a Christian you are suppose to love everyone. You are suppose to show them kindness. You are suppose to show understanding. Some only chose to show kindness and understanding to those they think follow their beliefs, and damn the rest, even though that is suppose to be God's job. No one is perfect and unfortunately there are groups of people who will also take advantage of any kindness you offer. Save yourself and help others as you can.

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You are supposed to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Nothing more and nothing less!
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I understand that and most religions have a very similar rule. That doesn't mean everyone plays by the same rules. Or any rules for that matter.
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Good answer, Blu.
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No they don't.

But honestly, nobody "truly" loves everyone. It's impossible.

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I agree, CJ. And even they know this. 'Funny'. . .yeah?
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"! That is the way. If - stranger is hungry would you not share your food? That is an act of love, as would providing protection from the elements be, taking the time to have an intelligent conversation with a lonely or forgotten member of society. Love can be expressed in many ways....it's up to you if you want to share your love. It's much more fun than being an obtuse curmudgeon and it makes the World a better place like ...Paying it Forward.
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But ultimately, you would let everyone burn, Con. Your food, shelter, and kindness won't assist us through the gates of heaven, will it? So such a philosophy of 'love' is painfully superficial.
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plus christ did not write the ''golden rule''
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Shouldn't we hope for this to be true before it can be true. I don't know, i am Just thinking. Thanks.
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not impossible... But I'm not human
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no we are supposed to but it is our human nature to go against it

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Yes. Even the annoying blondes who flirt with our boyfriends... We may get cheesed off... But we still love em! :)

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is that rude or mean? you just said that im annoying but you also said thateveryone love us im not stupid even though im blonde I got an award from Obama!
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I didn't say all blondes are annoying. I said its annoying when people flirt with my boyfriend. I think you are reading to much into this comment, it was supposed to be an answer as well as joke, and show that even when people get aggravated with someone, we can still love them. As for getting an "award" from Obama... Well no comment.... Because that's not saying to much :)
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Also Hun I never called anyone stupid
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those "christians" the guys that hold signs that say "god hates gays" yea i dont think so

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Please do not think that all Christians are this way. I agree these people are extremely hateful, and are not truly Christians. They are more like a cult. They claim to be a voice of righteousness but in reality are a voice of hate. They damage the name of God and give Christians a bad representation. God is a God of love, and if Christians truly love God and want to spread the truth they do not hate this way.
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i completely agree im atheist but i do believe religion does good for many people in many ways, i appreciate you commenting your opinion
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Thank you!
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welcome lol :D
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know what i think is funny? how they say "god hates gays" yet in the bible it says good created everyone in his image, so what did god great gays to hate them?? xD
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I suppose you are speaking hypothetically? because you said you were an atheist?
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yes i dont believe in religion but i do find it fascinating
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god* sorry
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Christ came that we might have life and have it more abundantly. Sacrifice may be necessary at times, but it is not a major virtue. Refusing to be any stronger than the weakest human being is not a virtue either.

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I disagree with you most completely. And strength and weakness is not measured by faith, but by empathy, when we speak of potential eternity.
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I am not sure of the difference between the phrase "completely" and the phrase "most completely."

Perhaps that's why I have no clue as to what the second sentence is intended to explain.
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Absolutely not. They're preach love for everyone and then do the opposite. Practically the pinnacle of hypocrisy. It'd make sense if they finally admitted that loving everyone isn't possible and stopped preaching it like they're gonna do it. Then they wouldn't look as hypocritical. Though "sense" isn't a word in the vocabulary of the lot of them so I wouldn't hold my breath on this suggestion.

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I'm sorry you have never known a true christian. We are called to love our enemies. It's not easy (as I'm sure you can understand) but through God, we can. He is Love. God Bless!
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It seems to me upon reading Lepps answer, that every Christian he's met is a true Christian, Lolo.
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I'm not going to bother explaining your guys' "true christian" fallacy again because I know it's been explained to you more than a couple of time. Not easy? I know because it's IMPOSSIBLE. What kind of god condems everyone for not living up to an impossible standard even though he made you in such a way that makes it impossible? An unjust one. Just so you know, hypothetically, I'd rather be on satan's side if the bible was actually true.
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Lepp, save me a seat.
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If the bible were actually true, judging by the incompetence and psychopathic nature of the god in it, I'd be very inclined to think that the god in it is probably lying about Satan being such a bad guy.
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Lucifer seems a most human alternative, for a angel. If man is created in the image of 'god', perhaps Christians have all of this a little backwards. I too would side with a creature intent on spreading knowledge and awareness, rather than one who demands blind worship and the sacrifice of loved ones to sate their ego. The choice would be obvious, yet the smear campaign of a brave, underpowered angel continues.
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Sorry for your warped views. Trusty, we have discussed this before. U have told me that u have only met a couple of genuine Christians in your life. So, i assumed u knew what i meant.
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I know what you meant. By "true christians" you meant the moderate and nice christians who don't prejudge everyone by their beliefs. But there aren't actually "true" christians. Your beliefs are what religion is about. Actions mean nothing and even most christians admit how you act doesn't get you onto heaven.
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Thats true to a point. We r all human and make human mistakes and scew up. But, if someone calls themselves a Christian yet, shows no love, or any fruits of the spirit ever, they cannot possibly be a follower of christ.
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A christian is anyone believes in the abrahamic god and that jesus is his son. What you said about love and fruits is a problem because there are people who obviously do terrible things but genuinely believe they are doing what is right for god. The west borrow's think they are showing their love for their fellow man by picketing with blatantly offensive signs because they think the most loving thing anyone can do is to tell them how wrong they are and what is going to happen if they don't repent to god. Even god himself condems killing but then goes and demands genocide. There are christians who will tell you that they don't care if you like what they say or do because they get their instructions from god just like you and so they "know" what they do is right. All this stuff about what god wants and walking the path of jesus is subjective to anyone's interpretation. Why do you think there are thousands of denominations.
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Great discourse, Lepp. Lolo, that's just plain unfortunate how anyone with an alternate perspective is 'warped'. But sorry, just like in Christianity, it isn't true simply because you want it to be. I believe you've hit a plateau in your reasoning. . .again.
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I am sorry we have left this perception. We must try harder. Some practices are/ have been more than unjust. I may chalk this up to navet, but I am hopeful for a loving future that embraces differences not ostracizes them.
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Thanks wisert. Brother, i cant speak for everyone and it upset me, too, when people behave in ungodly ways. And, i never agree with the picketers and how they portray themselves. Everyone will have to stand before God and give account to their lives. And, yes, i think many will find out how wrong they were.
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We are to love the person but hate sin.
We cannot force others to love or go to heaven. It is of free will God does not force anyone to love Him and we cannot do that either. There are those that would refuse to become a christian so banning together would be in vain. I personally love people but know they dont return that love.

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But Betty, would you sacrifice your eternity for anothers?
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It isnt possible. Its a gift only God allows. Each will be judged for what they have done. There wont be any one who can stand in the gap...except jesus. :)
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Yes, god of the gaps, and nothing else.
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Lolo said it right
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Heaven is a gift from God. It's nothing humans can do to make the decisions. I'm sure everyone would want everyone there. And, i wonder how a person would feel if their loved one isn't there. There won't be any tears or crying. So, it's hard to understand. You can't have us mortal humans answer these questions. They are for God, alone!!

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I do believe a true god would wish us to find the answers to these questions amongst ourselves. We are one people, are we not?
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I do not know what God wishes for us to know or not. He is mysterious and He knows we cannot fully understand everything. Try to get to know Him yourself and talk with Him about these things. I talk to Him all the time about things i ponder about.
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They are thought to. But they tend not to.

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I want everyone saved. I can't say that I love everyone because that would be a lie.

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A more honest Christian than near any I've met. Thanks.
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saved from what?
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Thank you Brother. I know too many evil people.
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A fully mature disciple of Christ loves everyone. A babe jn the faith may struggle some with this one. It not that hard though.

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Btw, I like your avatar name. It seems a most reasonable proposition...."from nothing, nothing comes". :)
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A very good answer, Exn. . .for a Christian, lol;)
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Thank you both! :D
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I wouldn't rebel against God, Karamazov.. But if it were possible, I would give up my own salvation and eternity in heaven if it meant your salvation would be secured...
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Have you read the bible? No. In fact, observant Christians are to put to death a great number of civilians that most of us consider innocent.

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Oh yes, UW, I've read it many times. Star.
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I see. Thank you :)
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False and out of context. No teaching of Christ even resembles that in the slightest.
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Please post the great deal of innocent people we Christians put to death?
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An atheist shouldn't have to tell you whats in your bible.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Here is one.
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Certainly not, hatred is central to many religions and Christianity is no exception.

One of the most appealing things about Christianity is that it takes people who feel powerless and unimportant and it sells them the fantasy that they are heros in an epic struggle between good and evil. They aren't usually encouraged to actually get off their back sides and do anything particuarly heroic or useful, but they are encouraged to act as cheerleaders, and expected to 'boo' the enemy. The church fosters this, telling them they are under attack from the forces of evil and supplies them with a hate list -- Heathens, witches, Jews, Muslims, liberals, socialists, homosexuals, abortionists etc.

Of course they justify this with the phrase, "Hate the sin, love the sinner", but this is obvious nonsense when we look at one of the other things that makes so attractive to Christians which is the idea of devine justice.

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You cannot separate justice from revenge, and this generally isn't a bad thing as long as the revenge part is reasonable and proportional to the crime. If somebody steals, a little jail time satisfies society's need for revenge. But some people, probably a lot of people escape justice here on earth.

Christianity teaches that nobody escapes god's justice and they will all face judgement, which is a very appealing concept. But the punishments are harsh, in fact they are completely disproportionate and essentially involve being thrown into a lake of fire and suffering for all eternity. Regardless of if this makes sense or not, the point is that it gives Christians something to relish and gloat about -- that their god will burn their enemies.

In fact in some Christian writing, heaven is described as a sort of platform from where they look down upon the suffering in hell as their entertainment.

There is no sane way to reconcile the idea of Christianity being a religion based on love with with such harsh and eternal punishments for such minor finite crimes.

It is rather like a husband beating his wife because she didn't put enough salt on his dinner and telling her that this is the only way she will learn, and her then convincing herself that her beatings are proof that he loves her. This is not love. The fact that Christians relish the idea of devine punishment for others is really rather disturbing.
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Vicky. . .that was awesome. .I think I need a smoke after reading that. .
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A smoke? Oh you are going straight to hell!
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See you there, Brother. We'll have shrimp.
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Unfortunately you are right. We have failed to demonstrate our love. When we view justice through the eyes of punishment, I can see how we can equate justice for revenge. This seems to dominate the U.S. philosophy. We see it in our judicial system and we see it in our schools. We even see it in the religions. But I am hopeful for when we can move beyond this ideology. For when we can escape the cold clutches of a dualistic right and wrong mentality. I am hopeful for the day we embrace our differences. But then again, some may say I am nieve.
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Strange that you have picked up on the one thing i don't have an issue with. Justice requires an element of revenge, somebody paying for their crime. It's essential for the criminal, the victim and society. It is hard to get the balance right so that criminals have been rehabilitated and society feels that the state takes these crimes seriously. Some states go way over the top killing their citizens, some even still do it publicly... it depends on how brutalized the society is.

But nothing humans do compares to the savagery and cruelty of god's justice.
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@Z, mmmmm, shrimmmpp. .
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@vicky- everything you said above is absurd. Complete nonsense and proves only your hatred for Christians. In fact, you prove that in every post I see you make on these boards.

In Gods eyes all sin is equal and deserving of eternal destruction. Since no human being is without sin we are all deserving of eternal destruction. Because of His love for mankind He set forth a plan of salvation for mankind, that is in Jesus Christ. Now, we have been given a way of redemption and it's up to us to either accept or reject that salvation. If you accept His authority to cover your sinful nature with His righteousness he is faithful to do so and you will spend eternity in His presence. If you deny Him, then he will deny you and give you exactly what Sin deserves.. everlasting destruction in Hell, the only place created for all those who reject goodness.
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"In Gods eyes all sin is equal and deserving of eternal destruction."

So working on a sunday is equal to molesting children... doesn't sound like justice to me!

And what is eternal destruction? Lets face it -- lakes of fire. Hell and eternal pain.

And the way out of this? Is it a quest? Is it a good deed?

No it is to "accept His authority" (capitalization yours). Become his slave, get on your knees and spend an eternity kissing his behind. Love him or be tortured.

And all this is proof he loves you.

Well... if this is goodness, I reject it. It is the very model of an abusive relationship. You can spin it anyway you like, but thats what it is. If any of it were real or true it would be heinous. But it's all fictions, and that is what is absurd.
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By the way, I do not hate Christians. That is absurd. I hate Christianity and all religions.
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Vicky- you're confused.

The law was given to the jews and Christ fulfilled the purpose of it. To which He said on the cross "it is finished." The old covenant was for the Jews that were in Palestine during the days before the crucifixion. Under Christ we are given a new covenant which tells us that by faith we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ; not by works! We are not under the law as it were. Jesus' command was simple. First, love God. Second, love everyone.

And yes, to a perfect God their is no distinction between sin. All sin is deserving of death. That is why we need a way of redemption.. Because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.. No one is righteous.

He is worthy of all authority. He is worthy of all praise, honor, and glory! Have you experienced true love before? At at least that love in which you can't wait to see the other? You just want to talk for hours and hours and you're content to just stare into their eyes? Every second with them is bliss and it seems you would be perfectly happy laying there beside them forever? If you haven't, Im sorry.. But if you have then you will have a good idea of what the love between Man and God is meant to be like. And will be like jn Heaven..

Btw hate is a strong word, and it is evil. Hate is the destroyer... Not God.

You're deceived, Vicky. Someone has lied to you and I pray that before your last day on earth that God will make Himself known to you.. I would like meet you in Heaven some day...
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Just woke up, excuse my typos please!
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"First, love God. Second, love everyone."

...or burn in hell. But it's okay, you don't have to go down to the basement...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0Bqa97tUI

I'm not the one confused.

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You watch this guy? No wonder your ideas of Christianity are so warped. You need to read a bible.. Or are you content taking other people's words on it?
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That guy.... the former preacher, ordained Minister?

I don't need to read a bible, I read the first couple of chapters which are absurd. A synopsis will do for the rest. But I am pretty sure I know the bible better than most Christians, most of whom don't seem to have a clue whats in it.
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A biased synopsis if you got it from that guy.

Either way, I'd rather get my information first hand. I applaud your attempt to read even what little you did, but I urge you to dig deeper.. not that I expect you will, but I hope that you do.

Until our next confrontation..
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Not really. Most Christian pretend to love though! But why should they love everyone really? Why should a Christian love a man whom his God hates? Why should he show compassion to a kind and noble unbeliever whom his God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? Christian hate the living, whom Christ will hate, for all eternity, the dead.

Did the Christian god love everyone? Surely when Christ denounced his enemies as "whited sepulchres, hypocrites and generation of vipers", he did not mean love? Certainly Christ didn't utter these heartless, and hateful words: "Depart ye, cursed into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil", out of love for everyone!! Christ taught, and Christianity still teaches, that God is supposed to hate with an infinite hatred, every Non-Christian for eternity. Nothing can be sweeter to most Christian, than to earn the gratitude of God by hating his enemies.

Upon the benign belief that god would hate his enemies forever, Christians have infested every country, every town, hamlet and family with hatred. They appealed to the worst passions of the human heart. They sowed the seeds of discord and hatred in every land. Brother denounced brother, wives informed against their husbands, mothers accused their children, and in the name of a most merciful Christ, his children were exterminated with hatred, sword, and fire. Over the wild waves of battle rose and fell the banner of Christ, the robes of the priests were red with innocent blood for the last 2000 years. The ingenuity of Christians have been exhausted in devising torture instruments and methods to be inflicted upon other Christians who honestly differed with them upon any point whatever.

From Jesus, until now, the spirit of Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out humanity all opposition inconsistent with their sacred superstitions.

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Great points, Pious.
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Because love has intrinsic value. We have failed in the past, but I am hopeful for the future. I may be nieve, but I have to be. We cannot accept people being ostracized for their differences. It is more than unjust. I have to believe we can embrace our differences. I am hopeful.
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That is a praiseworthy spirit @wisert. I have always admired your compassion. But think, you would not hate a man for difference of individual convictions. You find it revolting to hold another man in contempt for following the honest dictates of his brain or for disagreements of opinion.

But according to bible its god is infinitely more intolerant than even an average Christian!! If bible is true then the god you worship will hate a man forever simply because he couldn't believe in him! This god will burn every man for eternity simply because he couldn't believe that an infinitely good god would burn any son of man forever. If Christianity is true then its god will torture me eternally simply because I believed god was much better than the bible say he was, simply because I believed god was kinder than to be the warden of hell. Is it possible that an infinite god is inferior in virtue than finite man?
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You don't understand the God you question. You know very little about Him. As Job said after God spoke to Him...

"I had heard rumors about You, but now my eyes have seen You. Therefore I take back my words and repent in dust and ashes."
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Being willfully deluded certainly is not a virtue!! And I possibly could still, as I did once, teach a generation like you about the tyrant whom you call god!!

And, it seems that, you surely did not know that Job was a gentile character, not a Jewish one; and The Book of Job was a gentile book, which was later stolen and translated in Hebrew!!
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You say stolen? Did you witness the crime or are you basing that accusation off of what someone else told you? What faith, pious666. Don't be mislead, I know the book of Job well enough to discuss it with you.
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God loves all. He doesn't hate anyone.
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Christians are called to walk in love in love everyone we just don't love the same as God because God loves everyone unconditionally

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I try to show my love for everyone. Do I fail, yes. When I am aware of my failures, I try to rectify it.

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No. Anyone that claims they love everyone (regardless of religion) is lying as it is impossible.

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Maybe it isn't impossible. It just isn't easy.
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It's difficult for many people to separate the line between hating sin and loving the sinner, especially when sinners hate Christians for taking a Biblical stand for God against public wickedness. Albeit, if you learn to love at all times, then you have mastered the Christian life, for it was our Lord Himself Who said in Matthew 22:37, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

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If we did that then all of the suffering that Jesus encountered for us would have been for nothing, the choices that we make on earth now,will decide our eternal life, and it all comes down to sin, and we all sin, accept Jesus as your savior and repent your sins or you die in your sins, there is no sin allowed in heaven.

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No we don't love everyone, but we try to because that's what it says to do in the bible (except for loving Satan). It's very hard to love everyone. Remember, Christians aren't perfect just like everybody else, they're just normal people who have faith in the true savior.

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the ones I meet are more loving than any atheists I have met. for example, when I had shoulder surgery, I was off work for a couple weeks. got cards and letters, visits from church people. got ignored by the atheist science teacher and her coffee break group. and I try to include them in my stuff but they are a prickly lot. wonder why they are so negative... just my opinion.

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Funny, the most negative and hateful people I've met were all devout Christians.

See what happens when you base your opinions on only your limited experience?
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They are supposed to but most don't ;(

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Most, are you sure?
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It's a very difficult task. I'm impressed with anyone who comes even somewhat close. You can't just automatically love someone. Most don't because no one probably does.
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Christians are human and therefore like any other humans are sinners. There is no way they can love every one. In deed they cannot love their only beloved ones all the time. Despite the simple commandments of love your neighbour and God as you love yourself, some Christians have even committed suicides meaning if they loved God as themselves, given an opportunity, they might kill God Himself .

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From several personal experiences, no. On one personal experience, yes.

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I am a Christian myself. Christians are supposed to love their enemies. Lot of people believe Christians hate homosexuals, Jews and pro-choice advocates, this is not true. A true Christian would still show love to homosexuals, Jews and pro- choice advocates? Why, because were they not created by God. Yes, God created Jews, God created homosexuals, God created those pro choice advocates and He loves them. He may not approve of how they chose to live their lives-and the Bible does consider homosexuality a sin,-the Bible also considers hatred toward homosexuals a sin. God loves them because He created them How could anyone not love what they create. So if God loves them, a true sincere Christian would really love them too! I know I do. Just like we are supposed to love our enemies, Because after all, God did create them as well as everyone else In this world.

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They say they do but they do not.

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No, I certainly don't

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Love is the identifying mark of a true Christian. This is shown at John 13:35, where Jesus says "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves."
So yes, there may be some people that claim to be Christians, but truly don't show it because of their lack of love. As Christians we all need to show love to each other, no matter what circumstance.

Hope I helped :)

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As followers of Jesus Christ, christians are commanded to love one another, which is easier said than done. When you find a christian who can express love for all God's people, you will usually find a christian who is born again and filled with the Holy Spirit.

On their own, even christians would have difficulty loving everyone, but by the transforming power of the Holy Spirit, they are able to reach out to the world in a a truly loving way.

To love others does not mean tolerating sin but in recognizing the brokeness in people's lives and loving them in spite of it. The true message of love is the Gospel of Jesus Christ who told his followers to "love one another". Any christian who does not do so is not a "christian" in the true sense of the word.

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As a Christian I think that is what Jesus wanted us to do, love everyone like he loves everyone because we are suppose to be an example of HIS love but since we are human and were so judgmental in my opinion I do not think that Christians truly show the love that Jesus represents Jesus is to great and powerful and he is the best love.

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love siner hate sin

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Everyone should love everyone. I am a Catholic and I can't say I love everyone, but I can say I try. I believe that even if you don't believe in God or Heaven, or anything really, you should still at least try to love everyone. What can it hurt?

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We can't do it, but Jesus in us can.

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No. Many Christians are mean and don't let others like what they like. Their really serious too. Oh Emma, I'll get my revenge... ?_?

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No. The Bible tells us to, but as hard as we try, we are not perfect. So yes, we wish we did, but we are sinners like everyone else.

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We are supposed to...and because everybody messes up, no. But, I do try to, I just can't speak for anybody else.

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Galatians 6:5 -For each one will carry his own load

James 4:17 -Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him

John 15:22 - 22?If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Each person is RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN SIN AND NO ONE CAN SAVE HIM BUT HIMSELF by applying what is taught in the scriptures and applying them.

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