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Im stuck between being an atheist and agnostic. Im not sure which i really am. Any help?

Sorry for such little information, but im really not sure and i need help.

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Anyone that claims to be sane is agnostic, the only thing you need to decide is which type of agnostic you are, atheist or theist. Agnosticism is a state of knowledge, not belief, I said anyone sane because no one can know with absolute certainty that there is or is not a supernatural force outside our natural realm.

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Depends upon what You do and do not Believe..

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This is simple, do you believe that there truly in a higher power in the world or not?
Agnostic- Believing that there truly is a higher power, but there hasn't been one yet.
Atheist- There is no higher power out there at all. Period.

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That is not what an agnostic is at all. You are describing Deists.
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Your definition of an agnostic is wrong. Check your dictionary.
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if you believe in at least one deity then your an agnostic. but if you believe in nothing,that its all just science,youre an atheist

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Uh, no. If you believe in a deity you are some type of theist. Agnosticism has nothing to do with what you believe, and atheism is just lack of belief in GODS. It is unrelated to belief in anything else or science.
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uh sorry but I'm not much of a genius ......
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LOL, Jellic. At least you're honest :)
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Yes Jellic is honest, that refreshing bit merited a Star!! ****
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HeatherSyl

Ask God to reveal himself to you... Then the decision will be easy for you.
I hope things clear up for you. Please comment

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ask God to reveal himself? What?
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I don't think that would work
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lol, Heather your going to really make someone who believes in the easter bunny...er I mean god mad. I shouldn't have said that there is plenty of evidence he is real. I used to find easter eggs all the time when i was a kid!
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Funny; I was answering SavannahGlenn.
Rapunzle You may kindly go hang yourself by your hair,
And Rich, your answer must be to another question. Easter is over
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why you so mean :'(
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oh im sorry i meant to direct that at rapunzle's first comment. sorry heather
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what?
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np
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I believe in God
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what does np mean?
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oh wait i got it right dont confuse me lol
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and richb1981 your comment made no sense
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om confuzeled
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HeatherSyl
No problem. And the story of Rapunzel is a classic.
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NP means No Problem
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Rapunzle: I will explain: I was making a mean joke comparing god to the easter bunny. You know santa, the tooth fairy, all the fake stuff little kids still believe. The second part was saying there is more evidence to the existence of the easter bunny. Its not funny if I have to explain it, now its just mean.
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oh. lolololol
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still funny
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If your talking about the second comment I was confused when heather told me I my answer was to someone else's comment. I thought I directed the comment at the wrong name for a min.
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lol, i thought i was going to get yelled at.
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you are agnostic

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agnostic is one who could be open to the idea of god, but youre kind of in the middle

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I am SO happy you are still searching.
Talk to many people on both sides before you make that final decision.

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If you do not believe in any god(s), then you are an atheist. That is all that atheists have in common with each other.

If you are just unsure of one side or the other, or think there may be some type of higher "power", then you are agnostic.
Agnostics are just not sure if there is or is not a god(s).

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As I understand the terms, atheism is a total denial of anything "spooky" (God, gods, spirits, ghosts, magic, demons, afterlife, etc.) Agnostics on the other hand just don't know about whether anything "spooky" exists or what form it takes. I consider myself an agnostic who SOMETIMES leans to the atheistic, but who also acknowledges, whether due to superstition, or "mental illness" that there is indeed more to life than meets the five senses.

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No, atheism is just a lack of belief in gods. Atheists may believe in other supernatural entities.
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So as of yet I still do not know the difference? Can anybody explain the exact difference??

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Atheism = There is no god.
Theism = There is a god.
Agnostic = No one can know whether there is or is not a god.

Atheists and theists exist somewhere on the scale of agnosticism, from I strongly believe in a god, too I strongly do not believe in a god.
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ODang! Now I just had a stroke!
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lol, Davy!
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LoL!
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Caluvox is quite correct, you can be both. An agnostic is on the stance that there is not enough evidence that any gods exist, you can be an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist. One would state that there is not enough evidence so says there is no god, the other states there is not enough evidence but accepts the possibility.

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Most atheists ARE agnostics.

Agnosticism is a position on knowledge, not belief. Agnostics think it is impossible to prove with certainty that a god or gods exist, or that their existence is inherently unknowable. It has nothing to do with whether you actually believe in any or not.

Atheism is just a lack of belief in gods- it is not, as many theists claim, a positive assertion that it is impossible for gods to exist.

It goes like this:

Agnostic theist- doesn't think the existence of a god can be proven, but believes in a god or gods.
Agnostic atheist- doesn't think it can be proven, doesn't believe in any gods (usually due to a lack of evidence).
Gnostic theist- thinks you can prove a god exists.
Gnostic atheist- thinks you can be certain no gods exist.

Gnosticism is not very common- particularly in atheists.

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To be a true athiest, you would have to actually be God to claim there is none.

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How do you possibly get this idea
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Easy. You would have to have all knowledge. You have to know all of the past , present and future to know there is absolutely no God. You would have to be able to be everywhere at once, etc. :)
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You would also have to be infinitly wise and transcend time and space. Without all that, you cannot positively kniw there is no God.
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What utter nonsense. By this faulty logic, Christians can't claim the thousands of others gods don't exist.

Not to mention the strawman- very few atheists are Gnostics so you're attacking a position actual atheists don't hold.
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So, you r saying what I am saying.:). We agree. Athiests are agnostics. (which means.. It's not conclusive there is no God) regarding the thousands if other Gods. How do we kniw they r different Gods. When it gets down to it, there is only 1 true God. And, "which" God is a completely different question as to there being a God.
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Sorry Lolo, to know there is a god you would actually have to be god to claim there is one, and then you'd be the 1 true god.
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Calv, exactly! Strict, straight up atheism is absurd...insane as u put it.
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Again- strawman. "Straight up atheism" IS just a lack of belief in gods- not the positive assertion there are no gods. You folks seem to want to continue dishonestly calling our position something it isn't because you have no rational argument against our real position.


All atheists and all theists are also agnostic or gnostic, kids. And gnostic theism is just as untenable as gnostic atheism- yet there are far more gnostic theists than atheists, as the latter is extremely rare. I don't know where folks learned their incorrect definition of agnostic, but it is not a position on belief and thus never a standalone position to begin with.
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It is also just as untenable and irrational to claim with certainty there is only one true god. That is hypocrisy in the extreme, co soldering your objection to claims made that require omniscience.
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@Dk. You are referring to Gnosticism, and yes, that is absurd. My comment was related to theism,I was turning Lolo's answer on herself.

@Geek. Are you surprised? Your dealing with a mindset that jumps at throwing "god did it" at any unexplained phenomena, and proudly planting their flags in the sands of ignorance. Of course there going to try and twist agnosticism in their favor. This thread is a prime example, Lolo and Dk are arguing against their own stance but can't admit it applies to them as well, for fear that it means admitting *doubt*. 8-O
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Who is saying anything about doubt? I was just saying that a true athiest would actually have to be God to know fully, there is one.
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And I was pointing out that what goes for the goose, goes for the gander. You can't calm an atheist needs to be a god to know for sure, and not hold yourself, a theist, to the same standard. But you aren't free to admit that because it might suggest that doubts exist.
So which are you Lolo, A Gnostic that knows beyond the shadow of doubt that a god exists? Or an agnostic theist that understands knowing for certain is impossible?
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Not only a strawman but a No True Scotsman from Lolo. Typical indeed, cal.

Lolo, you are once again stating attributes to "true atheists" that are incorrect. The only thing that distinguishes a "true atheist" is that they do not believe in gods. None of your nonsense about asserting certainty.



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The term athiest should just be dropped. It Should just be agnostic that put their intuitive personal "posture" in disbelieving God.
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Ok, please note the original question. It asks between "atheist" or "agnostic". So, Lolo's answer in basic terms is sound. NO ONE here has said the same notion of being God doesn't apply to believers! YES, in a very real sense we are necessarily all "agnostics"...and so what? Please don't insult with "sands of ignorance" without first seeking to understand clearly our position. I pretty sure Lolo simply pointed out that a staunch atheism is absurd. Plain and simple....no ignorance there and not necessarily a "straw man" since it merely shows an absurdity. I do not claim there are many or even any such staunch atheists around. Got it?!
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Now there are a couple points of ambiguity here which will only be cleared up by further providing some agreed provincial finer definitions to "agnostic" (as there are real implications to which particular "mode" of agnostic we are talking about. There is also as Lolo said (ie dropping the term "atheist" altogether) a confusion for there ever being two separate terms as the posted question shows. Then comes a point of the existential difference between "belief" vs "knowledge". In other words what real appreciable difference is there between the two? None. Why because we are not theorized knowledge claims, disembodied from what we more or less believe. Rather are human beings which inevitably means what we know is inseparable from what we believe since we "believe" what we "know" and visa verse. It's existential nonsense to make an artificial line between the two. The simple point is this: if one disbelieves (or believes) in God then it's just a matter of if u believe that u "know" it or not. And since we seem to agree that we don't know it absolutely then the search and yearning to know continues (assuming one cares to seek). That is what believing in God means to me....to seek God. This is very long! So I won't go into a next point!! Lol
Good night All :)
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@Dk. My comment regarding "planting a flag in the sands.." was not directed at any comment in this thread. I was only pointing out that in the case were science doesn't have an answer on a given subject, Christians, in general, will attempt to claim possession of the missing knowledge as the sole domain of their god. It relates to this subject in that Lolo and yourself seem eager to point out the absurdity of "absolute" atheism when we "let down our guard" so to speak and acknowledge being agnostic, but are reluctant to admit being agnostic yourselves. I'm sure you can understand that to me, a staunch theist is just as absurd.
I can't agree with your description of knowledge, and equating it with belief.
Knowledge is knowing something through the use of facts, evidence, or repeated experiences.
Belief is not knowing something based on facts, evidence, or repeated experiences, but accepting it anyways.
So, we all believe one way or the other, but NONE of us knows.
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She used the term "true atheists" which is indeed a strawman. If you had said for example "gnostic atheism is untenable" then we wouldn't have a problem. Yet a lolo continually tries to assert atheism itself is gnostic by definition. This is false.
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Sure, that's fine. Yes, most Christians freak at the notion of the word "agnostic". I agree "knowledge" and "belief" are not the same thing...that would be an equivocation. What I'm saying is that in the real lived human life of decision making and intuitional commitment if u will, they can't exist apart from one another. For example we have to believe that a manner of gathering evidence is in fact true. That empirical data is in fact a provision of "true knowledge". That that what we call evidence is infect meaningful to say the question of God....or whatever. Anyways, epistemology gets to be a loooong discussion and defining key words is too lengthy here on a format like this. Lol
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Geek, sure once someone introduces and additional term as u did (ie "gnostic") but this just illustrates seeking to understand what everybody means. It is not unreasonable for anyone to take the term "atheism" by itself to mean flatly "there is no god". In fact I've seen that phrase in the dictionary....what does a dictionary know, right?! Lol ;)
But, yes once u introduces the new term to the posted question and this thread, then I get your point just fine.
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Children, calm down. This was mean to be just a question with a simple answer, not a full on debate. I mean seriously, this is not called for.
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Yes, it is unreasonable to assume a term means something it does not and then base all arguments on that false definition.
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Savana... Politics and religion r never a simple conversation. :). Your question opens a can of worms. :)
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Geek, I agree! Lol
Perhaps u haven't noticed much of what I wrote. I don't blame u, I tend to be very lengthy and who wants to read all that and really try to understand where someone else is coming from. I thins I see you point clearly once u introduced a "sub-class" of atheism called gnostic. The term gnostic (I'm quite sure I understand how you're using it) is originally used in a way that has nothing to do with atheism, btw. It is usually referring to an ancient Greek class of religious understanding (that involves gods and demiurges). I'm not saying your wrong to use the term, only that even that term deserves defining in such a discussion. It comes across as quite stubborn to insist we must use your's or to ignore other meanings of the same term....especially when used by Phd. academics. It's been real. :)
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Savanna,
I see u didn't get what u were hoping for...."a simple answer"! Lol
That seems like life to me anyways. ;)
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Being agnostic means that you highly doubt that there is a God. Being atheist means you are absolutely convinced and confident that there is no God.

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No it's not?
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Check out the evidence for God also. It may help you. There is rational and logical evidence as well as scientific and historical evidence for a divine Being.
Food for thought: You would logically have to have searched every corner of the universe to honestly say God does not exist.

www.equip.org
www.icr.org

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What tripe. The old strawman again.
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The ICR? really? Now that, is hilarious!
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I thought the same thing. Why would anyone give a site full of blatant lies that makes rational Christians look crazy as evidence?
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A young Christian friend once asked me the difference and I said that while a Christian believes in God and an atheist believes there is no God, an agnostic doesn't know what he believes.

OK, I was kidding. There have already been some excellent answers -- you'll recognise them. But the important thing for you is that you're thinking. Don't be in too much of a hurry to jump into either camp because the search for meaning is a lifelong quest. Learn as much as you can about science, about philosophy, about the various religions, about mythology, and one day you'll get out of bed and say, "Oh! That's what I am." It's a fascinating journey.

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Sage advice indeed!
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It's a road I've walked for a very long time, Cal. One of the nice things about Ask is that it got me focused again.
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Agreed. I've been on many public forums where debates on religion or politics are the sole function, Ask is unique in that it draws a varied collection of the populace each with their own view.

By the by, I've noticed a sharp increase in the number of intelligent atheists on this site in the last year. I wonder why this is? Coinkidink?!? =/
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Good grief! You almost make it sound as though "intelligent atheist" is an oxymoron. :D

You're probably right. I think there's been a little less angst than previously. I hope so, anyway.
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Haha!! xD....No, I mean when I first came on this site it seemed to be full of self righteous bible-thumpers spouting their fantasies every hour of everyday. There was only myself, a small handful of atheists, and some teens rebelling against their parents god "boarding up the windows". Now the creatard zombies seem to have slipped back under their rocks, and there are several well versed atheists about. Just struck me as odd is all.
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Time is on our side -- I hope.

My next door neighbour was talking about Islamic terrorists and their hopes of virgins in Paradise one day. He said, "They're going to get a shock when they meet Old Nick, aren't they?" I couldn't believe he was serious. He's far into his sixties and not completely without intelligence, but I couldn't believe he actually believed that guff. I mean, it's the 21st century, for chrissake.
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You must have gotten the same feeling I get when I read a comment on here by a Christian telling a Hindu that their religion is a bunch of fairy-tales. I don't know if I wanna laugh or cry.
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Both are appropriate. I think it was a Hindu priest, back in the 1970s, who quipped that following the lunar landings things were never going to be the same again. He complained about "American footprints on the face of the God."
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Haha! Well at least he's not a Christian, he would have denied the moon landings ever occurred. ;)
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A atheist like I'm is belief there is no god or gods nor goddess on that same note people wouldn't be to stupid enough to imagine them and the other thing (can't remember what it was call)
Is the belief that there could be a god or there is no god

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Faith comes from hearing the word
of God, "Bible" and we walk by faith
& not by sight. The unbeliever in God,
is willfully blind, because the Universe
shows His Glory & power.

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Pray about it.

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