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Do pagans acknowledge their religion is Paganism?

Christians call themselves all sorts of things. So also the Muslims and Jews.

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Paganism is any non-Abrahamic folk/ethnic religion. Its just whatever Christians want to call people not like them so they can feel better about their crusade of bloody mass murder. At least that is how it used to be used. Its a less murderous crusade now but I didn't forget.

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Kduchessofmalminster
good one GodlessHero!!
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Sounds like someone doesn't like Christians.
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Actually I don't like the murder and torture of Children going on in Nigeria right now headed up by a Christian crusader claiming that 1000s of children are witches. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. Someones little book is causing a lot of problems on my planet.
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Thank you kduchess
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Just an FYI to help you with your religion bashing. The attacks on children are being down by Islamic extremists, and not Christians. The attacks are to keep western education out, and has nothing to do with witches. So, i am sure the little book you are referring to is the Quran and not the Bible; at least in this context. But, either way you are right, the intolerance some people show for another... ...there are no words!
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Don't you dare try to cover for your religion wisert. Its exactly Christians responsible and it IS over WITCHES! Pentecostal preacher Helen Ukpabio. There is even a coalition for supporting witch children in Nigeria now! We're not talking intolerance wiserrt- these are CHILDREN BEING TORTURED TO DEATH BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT THE IDEA THAT WITCHES EXIST FROM THE BIBLE!
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Just to help you with your 'information campaign.'
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I'm a Christian and murder is not okay. And those 'Christians' obviously are not following what the Bible teaches.
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Actually if you bothered to read your bible, you'd realize you are not to suffer a witch.
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And I don't suffer from witches.
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That is because witches don't make people suffer. But when you read the bible in context, you realize its actually telling you to start killing young girls at random which is exactly what is going on in Nigeria.
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When you referred to burning children, I thought you were referring to the Boko Haram. But, I was wrong. This is the first I have heard of her. These are atrocities. I just believe one can blame all of Christendom for what her and her followers are doing. It would be like all atheists being accused of pedophilia because of Alfred Kinsey, and those who followed his experiments. We should teach tolerance, not hate.
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Can not* (not can) blame...
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And where in the Bible does it say that?
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Of course, I am not saying we tolerate her atrocities, rather she should be tolerant of others, even those who do follow Wicca (not to say these children were).
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J031
Chives don't bother with the trolls. They will eventually understand in life. Everyone grows up eventually.
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J I suppose you support those children being tortured to death?

chives- Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Wisert- not the same. Atheist don't rally around a book that supports pedophilia. Christians do rally around a book that supports witch burning. I'm not even necessarily saying She's a Christian in the sense we see in America either, I'm saying that that twisted book is causing this and that Christians are responsible for spreading that book around like a disease.
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J031
I don't argue with trolls over the internet. In fact the only witch I have ever heard of was on Halloween and in the Wizard of Oz. Other than that, stop trying so hard to be miserable.
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like it's a disease*
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J the only one trolling here is you, I'm not "trying to be miserable." I'm reporting information to the general public that people with no conscious have been trying to sweep under the rug so they don't have to feel the guilt of getting confronted about their secret child killings in their basement because they "are witches."
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Again Hero I can't blame you for the things you say as well. Not every parent is responsible and teaches their children properly.
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Other than that, continue to attempt to try to get your degree but with the attitude you present I wouldn't want you as my doctor in any situation.
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Actually my mother is a Christian and I disagree with her on many things. I think for myself instead of regurgitate what authority figures shove down my throat. Or as you might put it "I'm a puppet of satan."
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I'm going to be a Pharmacist and you'll take my drugs when I proscribe them and you'll never know who helped you.
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J031
I don't think you're a puppet of satan but I really hate that people now a days make remarks that are false. Just because the crusades were unstable at the time doesn't make Christians bad. I mean c'mon dude Iv'e never heard of witch burning in my life.
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Pentecostal preacher Helen Ukpabio. Look her up. Now you have.
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J031
You do realize...this is just one persons belief right...?
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Clearly I'm not making false remarks after you read that. The crusades were unstable? They killed people for no crimes at all! They tortured countless innocent people and just because you were not Christians they would end your life. Unstable does not describe this tyranny.
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Kduchessofmalminster
how have you never heard of witch burning?? Throughout history there have been massive witch burnings. How did you miss that in your history books??One of my ancestors was burnt at the stake ( England) after being accused of being a witch.
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Kduchessofmalminster
my great great great etc ancestor was burnt at the stake in England in the 1500's-just to be clear
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J031
No I'm talking religion wise. Witch burning has never popped up.
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J031
Well I'm gonna go.
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No its not, she has countless followers and the beliefs are from the bible. Just because the secular world has shut down gods plan cold in nearly all developed countries doesn't mean the witch burning isn't still on gods wish list. All it takes is a poor country to spark up the tyranny all over again- exactly like Nigeria.
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Well now you know j, I'm sorry you were never told about American History.
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til now*
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You may be right, but then again we don't abandon all of science because scientist in the USA argued that African Americans were less intelligent, and used cranial size as a means to provide scientific proof. No instead we simply see this pseudo science for what it was and now dismiss it. I cant believe there are those who struggle doing the same, especially with the Old Testament. I guess i should know better. My wife tells me all the time i am too trusting/ naive. Have a good one. Oh, and my apology was sincere, I really never heard of this women and her horrific behaviors. Now, have a good one. Until next time.
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That's because science doesn't argue that anymore- the bible still encourages witch burning. I know you were sincere, I'm pretty bad with niceties sometimes.
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Paganism is not a religion so your question doesn't make sense.

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Ok
Do they acknowledge they are pagans?
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Kduchessofmalminster
paganism IS a religion ( in all of its forms) and paganism is older than Christianity. Christianity has based many of its beliefs on pagan beliefs. Check your history.
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Paganism itself is not a religion- it refers to any of the multitude of ethnic and folk religions.
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@ Geek
So does that equally mean Christianity is not a religion but a group of religions that see the biblical teaching differently?

Genuflexion; Making signs of the cross, forbidding members to join the army; confession through a fellow man. Believing suicide is forgivable so long as you confess in advance.
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No. Christianity is a single religion- they have a shared core belief in the Abrahamic god and that "Jesus" was his son and Messiah.

"Pagan" on the other hand was a word the Hebrews used to describe anyone who wasn't them.
The Greeks, the Romans, the Norse, the Hindu, the Xhosa- these are all "pagans" yet all different religions with separate gods and mythologies. Christians have a shared text and shared mythology- one religion with some denominational division on minor points of ritual and dogma as you have stated.
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WOW I somehow like Xhosa in particular. How is it pronounced:)

Thanks.
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It's got that epiglottal click at the beginning. Pronounced with the k sound from "sky", the long o sound from "goat", s like in "sigh", then a shortened uh sound like the a in "comma".

Xhosa is an official language of South Africa, a Bantu tonal language.
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Thanks. Gonna practise. Guess better heard:)
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They probably have pronunciation sound clips on Wikipedia.
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Paganism is typically any non-Abrahamic religion. Modern Pagans may consider themselves Pagans; but no the ancient did not call themselves pagan.

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Kduchessofmalminster

people seem to forget that Paganism ( in all of it's forms) is WAY older than Christianity, and Christianity actually absorbed some pagan beliefs-for instance wedding rings,wedding ceremonies, funerals (putting flowers on graves, and embalming), pagans also created statues, US money has pagan designs in it ( the eye over the pyramid), the different days of the week for different Gods. So really it's paganism in all of it's forms that inspired christianity . you can read more here http://articles.exchristian.net/2003/04/is-christianity-based-on-pagan-roots.php

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One Christian will tell you he is a Christian; another a Born Again Christian,; another a Jehovah witness, another an Adventist. But does a Pagan ever say he is a Pagan orr he/she is just told he is a Pagan?
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Paganism is an umbrella term that encompasses all "non-Abrahamic" religions (in other words not Christian, Muslim or Jewish). So in and of itself there is no unified "Pagan" religion, there are just a multitude of religions that fall under that umbrella - Wicca, Asatru, Hellenismos, Kemeticism, Eclectic NeoPaganism, Celtic Recon religions, etc... I would suggest reading the following for a detailed overview - http://theinformedpagan.org/what-is-paganism/

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Thank you. Someone who actually answered the question. Star!!!!
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@ Seph
Indirectly you say they do not. Others just call them collectively Pagans. The difference with Christianity is an Adventist, Jehovah witness and oh a Catholic all acknowledge themselves Christians However among themselves they start saying no those are not true Christians or they work on Sabbath and adore Pagan Sun day or their leaders are child molesters.
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wiserrt: Thanks!! :)


DonQuixote: Pagans acknowledge themselves as "Pagan" in a general sense, it's just that the term doesn't refer to any specific religion, or any particular set of beliefs/practices, other than none of us worship YHWH.

There's not really a "no true Pagan..." caveat, I mean as long as one is not a member of an Abrahamic religion, then one is Pagan. Certain religions/spiritual paths don't particularly like to be referred to as Pagan, so common usage excludes them from the umbrella (even if in a technical sense they are, by definition) - such as Buddhism, Hinduism, etc...

It's generally only within the actual religions that you start getting the nit-picky stuff. Which in some cases might have merit (if it's a tradition that is closed, and/or has specific practices or initiation requirements), or in others might not (if it's more open and eclectic in nature).
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These members of Abrahamic religions, what are they collectively called?
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@ Seph
I missed that nit-picky stuff. Its juicy. I remember I had head lice most of the time. So the whole family would come and pick the eggs or nits for preventive purposes. It was tedious, painful and at the end never worked

What a metaphor:)
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Depends on the Abrahamic religion - those who follow Christianity are collectively called Christians, Judaism are Jewish, Islam are Muslims, etc...

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Cool :)
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