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How much better will the U.S. be when we have Obamacare?

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Nice test Eagal. But remember, if your other question had replaced "destroy America" with "will it be bad for America" It would be a much better comparison. Also you were asking "how long will it take..." which isn't answerable.

As to this "question". It's about time we join the rest of the civilized world and offer our citizens healthcare. Hopefully it will move us from the 38th spot up to 30 or 20. If we could get past Morocco and Saudi Arabia I'd be happy. =/

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Yes offer healthcare but not force it upon them
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It won't be better. People will pay more. People will get less hours. It was suppose to cost as much as your cell phone bill according to Obama. Then why are people paying from $300 to $900 hundred? Look at the premiums for people. It's crazy.

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"Less hours". So those people are probably wage workers, not making much in the first place. Therefore they are not going to be paying $300 to $900 dollars, they pay much much less due to subsidies provided to them.

On the other hand, if they got terribly ill without insurance. Guess how many hours they'll be getting then? Zero.
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OK, first off they will be paying more. Look at it from two points. They will pay less out of what they make, but they will be making less cause they will be working 30 hour weeks instead of 40 hour weeks. So how much more are they paying now? Now that any employee who works over 30 hours is on the shoulders of companies. Now they went from working 39 hours to 29 hours.
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A whole lot healthier and one step closer to the universal healthcare provided by other first-world countries. Our current standings in healthcare is laughable and our system can get pretty shady in numerous ways.

I remember when Medicare Part D came out, people were more outraged than they are of the ACA. People aren't crying about it now are they?

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It's not going to be real pretty

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Not only will employers not higher full time employees, but those that are on welfare won't qualify for state insurance if they make more than 1200 a month in most states.. So very few will be benefiting from this.. It's a glass ceiling issue. Even for those that work in health care.. It's effecting many dynamics.

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It's not about language.. Maybe that's the problem in the first place.. People like you answer questions in ways that most people won't understand, so in turn they give up and just let those people win the argument. Maybe you should listen more to what people are going through and both sides of the situation and not just the "red" side. Thank you.. Response not needed.
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My comment seems to have been deleted. How amusing. Anyway, if you're going to argue about politics, you should probably be able to argue at all first. It's not like I'm speaking Middle English. If a person isn't educated enough to understand what I say or reply properly, why should I pay any mind?
I'm sorry for sounding so antagonistic. I don't mean to call you uneducated by any means; I'm just debating your response.
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i am in a situation where i don't have to worry about money, or this healthcare issue. i do however care about those that do. we can go about this for days! hence the shutdown!.. what is bothering me, however, is i do not care for people that try to make others feel like they do not have a voice on subjects like this. this is America, or at this i thought it was... i do not need to say things that only people like you agree with. thats the beauty of it. i am very amused that i am the only one that you keep responding to on this issue, when in fact i am not the only one that feels this way. if people like me, that dont "speak politics", should not speak their opinions about these types of issues than why should we even have a say in anything that goes on in this damned country. oH THATS RIGHT! WE DONT. Love and peace.
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If you're a white man whose favorite color is red: worse, because Obama.

If you're not: it depends on whether you need to use the Affordable Care Act. Those Americans who need the help from the Act will now receive healthcare, and hopefully there won't be another case of a sick man intentionally being arrested to receive prison healthcare. Remember that from a few years back? True story.
Those of us who don't need it will be mostly unaffected, but we may actually be better off. Why? Say a homeless person is dying of severe influenza. This person walks into the hospital, and the doctors treat him/her regardless because that's what doctors do. Before the Affordable Care Act, when this person couldn't pay for treatment, guess who did? That's right - taxpayers.
The Affordable Care Act is more efficient than the jumping through hoops and vaulting court forms that medical practitioners had to do to get reimbursed by the government, which only served to add to the amount of reimbursement required; and not only that, but there actually is a set policy now and taxpayers know of it (even if they've only been fed partisan propaganda about it by whichever side they choose to heed).

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We had to do something with healthcare costs which account for 20% of the GDP. Unfortunately we couldn't get a single-payer system passed which would have been far less complex, more efficient, and less costly. Here are two critical assessments for those who want to read more: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21587216-centrepiece-barack-obamas-health-reforms-opened-business-week-its-success (the U.K viewpoint) and http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/01/a-middle-class-family-crunches-the-obamacare-numbers/ (a conservative viewpoint).

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Single-payer isn't going to happen. Well, let me ask you-- how would you make it happen?? It doesn't have anywhere near critical mass in Congress. What might you suggest to get that changed?
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@Shiny: I agree. There aren't enough supporters in Congress to support it; primarily on philosophical grounds. So I'm not holding my breath. But the only scenario that I think is even dream-worthy is that once Obamacare starts really kicking in and people start getting a taste of possibilities regarding universal health care, and seeing the flaws and inefficiencies of Obamacare, they will warm to the idea of a single-payer plan to replace Obamacare rather than longing for repealing it and returning to the not-so-good-old-days we have now.
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From what people keep telling me,
it will all be ... rainbows and sparkle unicorns!
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So far, my current state-administered insurance is going away, Obamacare has no clear subsidy plans for me, and so far (so far...) new insurance will cost me 50% more per month for 25% less coverage -- and I can't afford it.
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But hey ... rainbows and sparkle unicorns will be nice to see .. in other people's yards. :-)

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Once it's fixed, it may not be too bad. It needs a lot of tweaking, as even Democrats admit. But if the Senate goes Republican in 2014, you will see a steady move against it. A case could be made for repairing it, so that it actually can fulfill the many promises Obama made passing it. I would be in favor of that. It can't be repealed until a Republican president is elected, but it can be fixed; I suspect this is what will happen, and Obama will agree to the many fixes needed, as long as it retains essential integrity as a series of mandates, taxes and exchanges.

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I really hope you're right.
I really do.
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Tweaked repaired fixed or whatever, I mean. Sigh.
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I see you have come off your believe that the ACA should should be done away with.
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If you had been reading all my posts, I have been completely consistent.
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Shiny or me?
I'm ok with making it mandatory to offer insurance to previously uninsurable people (like me), but there were insurance options with discounts before ACA (the state CHIP programs). -- and those are being shut down now because of ACA.
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And I'm hoping ACA will help people who couldn't afford insurance before.
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However, the actual ways to DO it is still messed up. Totally messed up -- or some parts are just not even set up yet.
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For me , it's still a nightmare.
But if all you get is lemons, you have to find a way to make lemonade or you die of thirst.
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I wonder if there is a list of the promises made by Obama, and a study of how we could make them actually happen. I tell you, we want the Obamacare we were promised. We DON'T want the train wreck we have gotten. So, let's repair it, or replace it.
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