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What do you think? Does everything have to have a beginning and an end?

No matter how you think life on Earth begun, whether it's believing in The Big Bang Theory or in a superior being such a god(s) or any other belief, to me this question seems like there is only one answer and that is no. The thought of everything having a beginning and an end is a human idea and conception that we came up with to explain to ourselves why we are born and why we have to die sooner or later. Take the Big Bang Theory for example, the Big Bang Theory could be the beginning to life and the universe and space itself but if there was no space before the Big Bang as many people believe then what was before that, because there had to be something in order for the Big Bang to happen doesn't there? Even if you believe there was space before the Big Bang then how did space exist? If you believe in God or a god or in multiple gods then you can't possible believe there has to be a beginning and an end to everything because where did that superior being come from, how did it or them come into existence? And aside from the beginning to life and the universe just the idea of space I think defeats the idea about there having to be a beginning and an end because does space end, does the universe stop and if you think it does than what is beyond it or where does it start? The only reasonable explanation is that space goes on forever but is that really reasonable? I want to hear what you think?

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I will just quote Bertrand Russel ~

"If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument."

"There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause."

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your seeking to explain away the spiritual exsistence of God through the denial of cause in the physical, natural. It's the old comparing apples and oranges. It's your argument that's lacking genuineness. And your bag bag can't hold water.
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Spiritual existence of god? Whats that then? Some kind of warm fuzzy feeling?
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As human beings, we only know cause and effect. We cannot experience anything else because we are limited to this universe. Our arguments of cause and effect regarding the supernatural don't make sense since it is separate from our realm. It's like asking what color sound is. I can tell you everything in our universe changes, so beginning and ending are kind of muddy concepts. I will end as a human but continue as atoms and subatomic particles.

We are too small and limited to know the beginning and ending of the universe. I wish people would quit demanding their argument regarding this topic is truth. I'd ask for proof and receive nothing in return. How could anyone offer incontrovertible proof?
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Sounds like you are assuming there is a supernatural separate from our realm?

I see no reason to assume there is. And if there is a supernatural that effects our realm then it's effect could be measured, and it would be natural not supernatural. If it exists but does not effect our realm then it is irrelevant.
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ok vicky. ever hear of tibetian monks, soul travel, astro projection, out of body experience? I offer a challenge to you. And if you're sincere and not just blowin b/s my way.. and do indeed desire understanding and knowing.. check out looking into these things. Not just check out .. but DO. Experience. Go for the ride. Because untill you do and are willing to evaluate a true hands on scientific replicating experience. Darlin uz just wasting my time
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@justbeing. Same to you as I put to Vicky. You who said there's nothing but this universe. Not so. You as well.. GO FOR THE RIDE. Dare ya
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I got a quote from Bert baby too. 'The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt' -- are you cocksure?
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Sounds to me like we are full of doubt, for all the woo you are pedaling.

People from all over the world have spiritual religious type experiences. The same sort of stuff can be measured in a scientific lab, seen on an MRI scan. It is all just brain chemistry.
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I'll take that as .. no, you will not take up my challenge and 'know' for yourself. Your opinions then, as they say, like (BLANK) - everybody's got one.
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So long Vicky. and have a nice day
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I don't need to talk up your challenge. I looked into all that nonsense when i was young and foolish.

Maybe you should study some of that Eastern philosophy and meditation, maybe it will calm you down so you don't act like so much of a (BLANK).
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ugh too long shorten and ask again.

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The question is "Do you think there had to be a beginning and an end to everything?" The background information or whatever (all that writing is just my opinion, which you do not need to know if it's too long).
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oh, then yes. sometime it will happen. no matter whether its by god saying "meh this is getting old" or the russians saying "meh this is getting old"
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Russians -
Haaaaaaa
Not Likely-
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or the Chinese...
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Or the North Koreans ..
My, quite a list of possibilities, eh?
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Yes it was god before the bang and no everything doesn't have a beginning god has always been god said he is the beginning and the end everything comes from god

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If god can spontaneously exist, why can't the Big Bang?
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Space has always been -
And always will -
Long after were gone -
Space will be space-
Never ending -
The Big Bang was the beginning of
Matter - not space -
I view the Big Bang a bit differently
Then others -
My thoughts -
Think of everything we know in space
Clumped together but , the size of a tiny moon -
But super dense- like a collapsed star-
Then bang -
Matter expands at a super rate-
And continues today .
I would elaborate , but that's the short
Story of what I believe -

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Yes, Everything Does Have A Be-
ginning and Everything A l s o
H a s An End; E x c e p t
Almighty God. Genesis
Is T h e Foundation
Of My B e l i e f.
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god has ended already.
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god Probably Has Ended
Already; B u t, It Is My
Personal Exp. That
G O D Exists
Eternally.
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I think energy is eternal. At some point, all the energy/matter that exploded from the big bang will quit accelerating due to constant microgravitational forces from star trillions of light years away. Whe all that energy finally stops and starts accelerating backwards, much like a bullet that has been fired strait up in the air getting pulled by gravity, all matter will return to a singularity and bang again. Then again, maybe that makes no sense at all, I'm no physicist.

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Makes perfect sense -
Good example -
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Wow you just blew my mind. seriously. not joking.
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Thank you both. I'm curious if this is any well known theory or not but, intuitively, it makes a fair amount of sense.
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Actually, that is one of the theories. Expanding and contracting universe.
Good thinking!
:-)
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Thanks lands sakes. If this were a science experiment on science it might reveal that science reveals consistent results from consistent practices. Or in other words, me not being the first to think of this conclusion makes a statement about logic and maybe the theory as well!
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Qmorillo, I'm glad to be the one to deliver that blow to your mind ;)
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This hypothesis in physics is called the "Big Crunch".
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Yes, fairly well known theory, one if my favorites. The problem with it is the current mass isn't sufficient to stop it and pull it back. Unless there is stuff we can't see or haven't found yet (dark matter perhaps). Otherwise it will continue to expand and every fuel source will be spent and we shall all freeze to death on ever expanding universe. Lets hope it's the crunch, I like to think it will just happen over and over again.
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That is a problem mac. The only thing I was thinking that makes this different from the bullet was friction though. How can matter that was launched in a direction perpetually resist gravitational forces? I'm having trouble visualizing how a vector could be that large. Its been a minute since I was in physics but I have an idea. So imagine one piece of matter that has traveled in a direction different that all the other matter from the bang. If that matter goes far enough out, wont the gravitational forces from all the other matter eventually sync and force that matter to stop and return? Like the edge of a sphere that is constantly being pulled by all other parts of the sphere would eventually turn around and the expanding sphere of gravity would then shrink? I guess I'm having trouble seeing how the initial blast could compensate for eternal drag from gravity coming from all the matter in the universe which HAS to be behind that single piece of matter.
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On earth, in the universe, all things that are subject to natural laws of nature and physics must have a beginning and an end obviously. Since death and destruction entered this world all things begin and end. The entire world and the Universe are subject to this. They did have a beginning and will eventually end.
Those things that are above and outside of this mundane universe and its set laws are not subject to them. God had no beginng and will have no end. The beings we call 'angels' had a beginning but wont end. None are subject to or contained by the natural laws that rule this mundane universe.
You dont understand God so you cant grasp that when God can do ALL things ALL means ALL. As in NOTHING is impossible for Him. He can make somethung from nothing. He can and possibly did breathe into being the materials necessary for a 'big bang' and set them in motion. He may or may not have created 'space' first. God IS. Thats all. Within that absolute and infinite all powerful Existance He can do anything He chooses and it doesnt have to make sense to our limited human brains. God and all He is is so far beyond our human understanding we can grasp very little of all He has done and can do.

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Well we have yet to discover what the void of a black-hole is yet. From an imploded star. Time is created in the mind of a human being for which we measure the flow of activity. So time in of itself has never been proven to exist outside the human mind. What we witness in the universe unless proven otherwise could be the flow of something without a beginning or end. Lets wait to see what the black hole has to offer.
Evolution doesn't appear to fit in with DNA which has been found to be exact data similar to that of a computer program. Meteorite rock has been found to carry amino acids, the protein building blocks for life. In relation to this the theory is we came from somewhere in space. Which I find all very interesting and exciting. But we only have Now, and what we do with that is what makes life on earth.

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Time exists as a dimension - the 4th dimension with regards to spacetime. If this is also a human concept, how can you explain the temporal delay between two atomic clocks - one on the ground, one on a satellite?
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http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/bmendez/html/time.html

Theres more like the theories of time and who created them, still comes back to humans
And of course when your talkung expansion then you got to ask what is the universe expanding into.
I would have put them up, I did try but I'm on my mobile and it takes "forever" switching back by which time what ive pasted has gone. lol, bloody time. They need to speed up internet connection.
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Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to read it today.
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Laurey, great link. Many things I read in the article I'm also learning in a book I am currently reading. Thanks again.

However, the article did not denounce what I said. Time - the dimension - is something that exists. The theories of relativity have confirmed its existence through experiments (the two atomic clocks are one example). St Augustine concluded that time is only in the mind, but this was before the physicists had their say. Newton proposed absolute time - that time flowed consistently in every place throughout the universe. This was of course wrong, as Einstein came along and proved that time is relative. Through experiments, we know this to be true. Speed and gravity have an affect on the flow of time - time slows down under extreme velocities and immense gravitation.

I am aware that seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years are all human constructs. So we can leave these out. The time I am referring to is simply the dimension. The reason I brought up the atomic clock example is because it proves the temporal dimension exists. It is clear that the two clocks tick at different rates - the one on the Earth's surface ticks slower than the one on a satellite. Gravity is the factor responsible. Earth's gravity is obviously grabbing hold of something and manipulating that something so the clock on the surface ticks at a slower rate. The "something" that gravity is manipulating is the temporal dimension. We can also look at the other factor: speed. Propelling something to extreme velocities slows down the rate time's passage for that object. We've done this with particles at the Large Hadron Collider. Muons are particles that live for a couple seconds. Yet when propelled to 99% light speed, they live for 20 seconds. It's because at extreme velocities, an object's "motion through time" gets converted into "motion through space," causing a decrease in the rate of time's passage. In this sense, the muons are not only traveling through space, but also through time. A temporal dimension indeed exists.
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Well theres lots of theories out there. Time on this earth is measured by the flow of activity I'm sure we apply that to whatever is in space however everything can only be measured within our existance, as thats how time exists. But the universe is so vast, and what is the space it is moving into, and does our way of measuring time exist in a backhole does anything. Its pretty exciting and interesting though whatever way you look at it ;-) keep in touch its been good talking with you.
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If there has to be a beginning, nothing should exist. Therefore everything either spontaneously came into existence on its own (the Big Bang), or a god spontaneously came into existence on its own, and then decided to make stuff. I lean towards the first, because if there is a god, it's really crappy at its job.

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Circles don't.

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