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Do you believe all large catastrophes to be the work of a deity?

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God isn't actually in control of anything. Alas, things which exist only in the minds of ancient, illiterate people, don't suddenly spring to life and start causing physical events.
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It's silly to think so. How about we move past all the fairy tales and get to work on actual problems that need solving?

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But isn't everyone's opinion just as important as yours? Aren't you interested how other process these events?
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I tell you, Darkmajinn, I struggle to find validity in crazy opinions. Like when believers in god say things like, "After all, if we can just keep getting more of our men to"

(well, let's keep this rated G shall we? Let's pretend he said 'cuddle'...)

"with more men, we won't have to worry about babies being born. And if we can just get more women to get out there in the marketplace and start acting LIKE MEN"

(He really did start screaming at this point)

"and if we can just get other women to look at motherhood as though it is some dread, terminal illness... If we can just get"

(Yeah, he's still screaming at this point, I just think all caps is tacky)

"society so drunk and so drugged, if ever anybody does get pregnant, then we can a..."

(Hmm. Medically decide not to have the baby.)

"the baby!! That's where we are!!!!!!!!!!!"
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And this was James Robison, who is still highly respected in those circles. Some believers have an opinion that is not worth understanding--and unfortunately it is usually the most outspoken ones... And when an opinion is so discongruent with reality, and so harmful for the ones not sharing that opinion...

Then no. They're opinion is not as important as opinions arrive at through the scientific method, and no, I am not interested in how people claim an ancient book is telling everyone to process events.
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no. not all of them. if a disaster was caused by a deity it would be a natural storm such as an earthquake or hurricane.

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This is silly. It's either all or none. How could you think Yahweh or Allah is in control of some weather events and earth movements but not all of them? How would you determine which ones were on his watch?
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So you think that perhaps God controls the weather system and the tectonic plates shifting . . . okay.
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I think we understand weather systems and tectonic plates, so god no longer occupies that place that used to be a gap.

I don't know if it's possible to get rid of ALL the gaps. Perhaps it's not. But at some point, it really is foolish to keep claiming god occupies the tiny nooks and crannies that remain. At some point, we can and should safely admit that god is not necessary.
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Well here you are noveltyman spewing your hate for Christians and their beliefs. God is real and necessary--end of story. Evolution (most of it) is more a fairy tail than God.
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Seriously? Every year there are no discoveries supporting Science therein disproving the bible. Your basing your faith on a plagiarized idea presented by the Egyptians 2000 years prior to actual "Story" of Christ. Embrace Logic or hold onto myth. Live your life as you will.
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So that was supposed to say . . every year there are NEW discoveries . . . Not "no"
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It was a little confusing. Cleared it up!
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momst, I have no hate for Christians. Is it possible to have hate for a belief? Your declaration that the story has ended is weak sauce indeed.
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Sorry Novel, that was me not embracing the "Power of the Proof Read" before clicking submit.
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wow! im not christian or catholic or any of that. im just saying that if a deity of some sort is responsible for a disaster it would be weather related. not something like a terrorist attack like 9/11!
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i believe in mother nature. what some people call Gaia.
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I support your right to believe it and respect your view . . . Are you Wicken . . Aaand did spell "Wicken" right?
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no you didn't spell it right. its wiccan and no im not or maybe i am? it depends on your definition. if i were i would be called solitary eclectic wiccan. but as far as i know im just eclectic.
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Nicely done, and thank you for the spelling correction. I visit Salem once a year . . there is an energy in the air . . .
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the salem trials were wrong. it was ergot poisoning. they weren't witches. look it up. wicca wasn't around then and what ever witchcraft was around at the time wasn't in the area.
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here is one of the many links that will say the same thing
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/previous_seasons/case_salem/clues.html
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Yes I agree, It doesn't diminish that fact that I can feel something there . . Could be as simple as a slight electro magnetic resonance.
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your probably feeling history. if you go to any place that you know has an important history your going to feel the place differently. of course there is a lot of witchcraft in the area today because people moved there because mis- understanding it.
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I can agree with that.
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now, can all of y'all do me a favor? vote this helpful it was a philosophical question and i gave a good answer. plz
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LOL . . sure. Your always helpful.
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thanks.
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i hate asking but sometimes i just feel like i have too.
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It could. It never looks like it though. Like an architectural accident, but God controls all weather phenomenons.

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@castle5, do you mean "you're dumb"?
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So you of the belief also that God controls the Weather? You thank God for the glorious day ahead of you and you mean the sunshine in the sky and not just plans HE has for your life that day? . . . interesting. What region do you live in?
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Oh and its not nice to call people dumb. Maybe naïve is a more appropriate term.
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I'm a Christian, bro, a Nondenominational Christian. And I'm not dumb because that other guy doesn't agree. If anything, he's dumb because he can't even spell right.
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The boy does have a point, still naïve but a point. Dawg ever hear the passage "The rain falls on the just and the unjust . . . "
I believe this was God's way of saying . . . "Sometimes, Crap happens."
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No, I've never heard that, actually.
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I don't think I'm nave. I think I just have a different belief system.
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See . . I know when of buddies has . .they can share where exactly that passage is.
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I'm saying I know its in the bible, but I've long forgotten where. There are some reverend Tim Tom's that can direct you if your interested.
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Isaiah 45:6-7 That people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.
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So what does that say translated in the original ancient Hebrew in which it was written I wonder. What verb tenses and word substitutions need be made to light. Hey, if your going to quote scripture, do it from the language it was written in.
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Are you stuck in a corner and are trying to grab at the last bit of hope that you may be right? Who says this is wrong? It clearly says "I make well-being and CREATE CALAMITY..." Are you trying to say the original texts said something different?
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So 40, you believe God sent the hurricane to Florida to punish Disney for having "Gay day"? Or a tsunami to Bangladesh for not being Christian? Hmm.
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I don't know what Gay Day is, and hurricanes appear in many places across the world. Not just Bangladesh. Besides, there has to be a small amount of Christianity there.
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Well done dawg
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40, my point is, I see from your comments above that you feel God uses; the weather and natural phenomenons to punish the modern world. Just like Pat Robertson said God sent a Hurricane to punish Disney a few years back because they held a "Gay day" promotion at the parks.
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I'm in no corner, because these words and that book hold no power over me. But if your going to live your life by the book, you need to go back. originally the bible was written in ancient Hebrew (old testament) and ancient Greek (New testament) then it was translated into Latin. Two translations do lose meaning both in verb tenses and even some words. For instance the word Witchcraft is translated from the word Pharmakeia (which today is known as Pharmacy). Yes a literal translation to the use of medicines not under stood in ancient times. When Christ uttered "It is Finished" the verb tense was one meaning Past present and future (meaning the cost for our sins was paid in full for all through time). You should learn the book you base your life on.
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NO --he is not a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde to find any pleasure of mass deaths from mans' ruination of the earth & deaths

ARMAGEDDON will make a clear demarkation as to who are to receive the real judgement by Jehovah God & Christ Jesus:

(Proverbs 2:20-22) “20?The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep. 21?For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. 22?As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”

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So God's destructive judgment is reserved for the end times?
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WE HAVE been in the "end times" ("last days")since 1914 as a pivotal date in all history:( chronologically & prophetically)

Jesus stated the well know warning for mankind:

(Matthew 24:7, 8) “7?“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8?All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.”....... “12?and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.”

“The last completely ‘normal’ year in history was 1913, the year before World War I began.”—Editorial in the Times-Herald, Washington, D.C., March 13, 1949

More than 50 years after 1914, German statesman Konrad Adenauer wrote: “Security and quiet have disappeared from the lives of men since 1914.”—The West Parker, Cleveland, Ohio, January 20, 1966

More on mans disposition in a Sodom & Gommorah cesspool:
(2 Timothy 3:1-5) “3?But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2?For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3?having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4?betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5?having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power.?.?.” Like reading a newspaper.

More power to Christs warning:
(Revelation 12:12) “.?.?.On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.””

Most of mankind fit in this category:

2 Peter 3:3, 4) “. . . For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], a
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Complete and utter nonsense.
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That squeak expressed is stunning--is that supposed to shatter truths!.......
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Is endlessly droning on supposed to prove some point?
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So How come you don't translate? You obviously know your bible's context as it was translated from Latin . . want to "Wow me" with some real truths? Translate to the original text meanings and verb tenses. If I were to truly base my life on a book, and really know the expressed intent when written, it is really sad. I am sure you can find legitimate resources with which to accomplish this.
Novel, he is trying to provide framework for the fact that we are living in the "Revelational" prophecy and have been doing so for the last 100 years.
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AS TO what you mean as to translate, I do not claim to have such skills The stability of the texts in the Bible that have been translated are very secure.

*** w78 5/15 Where Did Those Verses Go? ***
TRUSTING THE BIBLE
This consideration of some isolated verses that clearly are no part of the inspired Bible should not leave anyone with doubts about the authenticity of God’s Word. Rather than undermining confidence in the Scriptures, it should serve to underscore the fact that God has preserved his Word in a remarkably pure state.
After his thorough investigation, scholar F. J. A. Hort reached this conclusion:
“It is not superfluous therefore to state explicitly that the great bulk of the words of the New Testament stand out above all discriminative processes of criticism, because they are free from variation, and need only to be transcribed. . . . The whole area of variation between readings that have ever been admitted, or are likely to be ever admitted, into any printed texts is comparatively small; and a large part of it is due merely to differences between the early uncritical editions and the texts formed within the last half-century with the help of the priceless documentary evidence brought to light in recent times.”
He added:
“In the variety and fullness of the evidence on which it rests the text of the New Testament stands absolutely and unapproachably alone among ancient prose writings.”
Sir Frederic Kenyon was in full agreement, stating:
“It is reassuring at the end to find that the general result of all these discoveries and all this study is to strengthen the proof of the authenticity of the Scriptures, and our conviction that we have in our hands, in substantial integrity, the veritable Word of God.”
[Footnotes]
Compare Matt. 18:11—Luke 19:10; Matt. 23:14—Mark 12:40—Luke 20:47; Mark 7:16—Mark 4:9, 23—Luke 8:8; Mark 11:26—Matt. 6:14; Mark 15:28—Luke 23:37; Luke 17:36—Matt. 24:40; Luke 23:17—Matt. 27:15—Mark 15:6.
1 Cor. 16:23; 2 Cor. 13:14; Phil. 4:23; 1 Thess. 5:28; 2 Thess. 3:18.
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No they are not. As a matter of fact, you can only benefit from this. You can buy actual resource books that to this for you. There are a lot since it is the literal translation verse by verse in the test . . multiple volumes. The current text your reading is derived from Latin . . . this is what the original monks had translated it into and resources were even scarce for them at the time. You want to "Walk the Walk . . . then translate the TALK."
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We differ greatly. The well known text & proofs which you seem to not respond as stated should move true lovers of Jehovah God's word:

(2 Peter 1:20, 21) 20?For YOU know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21?For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.

Enough said!
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To each his own you, can refer to the basic "Biblical Cliff Notes" and possible "General Idea" if it works for you. I mean, this way you can really twist it to fit your criteria so I guess I can see the allurement.

More then enough said!
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I wouldn't read into much of what Thomas says, he thinks a book from the 80's has a valid argument against evolution (it doesn't)
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I am just so amazed at people making life and death decisions based on a book, and they are not even the slightest bit curious with how the original authors originally presented it . . simply astounds me.
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I'm not really sure, it could be possible. On the other part, I think it was removed because it was an opinion or yes/no question. :)

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No S**t happens.

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No. God is good!

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then explain why he allowed satan to exist.
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I'm not sure. I'm not God. But If He didn't exist then there wouldn't be A Hell. And if there wasn't a Hell then why choose Heaven? Wouldn't everybody Go there anyway since there would be no alternative?
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yes, but no one wants to go to hell, contrary to what you might think. given the choice, just about everyone would choose living in paradise over living in a barbeque grill for all of eternity.
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Apparently Not. There are many that choose Hell, like you.
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if your deity is all knowing, then he knows full well why i am agnostic, and he knows that my reasons are justified. if he exists, then he made me in such a way that i can only believe what i can see evidence of, so if he doesn't show himself to me, then he cannot justify sending me to hell.
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Have you asked Him to show Him self to you?
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several times, and still nothing.
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As you sure?
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I am completely sure.
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Are you expecting Him to just show up in your bedroom one night and say 'I'm Real'?
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if he did, then i'd believe in him, but he hasn't. if he exists, then he knows what I need to see to believe in him, and what I need to see is HIM, not a "sign", not a burning bush, HIM. I don't care where it is, as long as it's him. until then, I cannot put my faith in any deity.
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It's called faith
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i know that, but i don't put faith in things that can't be proved.
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I disagree with that
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and why is that?
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I certainly do, and her name is Mother Nature. Some people call her Gaia, but it comes down to the same thing: natural explanations of cause-and-effect.

As everybody knows, when a kookaburra flaps its wings in Australia there's a hurricane in Rhode Island.

Hmm! I wonder if it's all our kangaroos jumping up and down all day long that cause the earth tremors in California?

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Kookaburra? What happened to the butterfly?
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All the butterflies are fluttering their wings along the Amazon creating hurricanes in China. When kookaburras flap their wings in Oz the storms come to Rhode Island. Whazzamarra, Virginia? Dincha do geography at school? ;)
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Oh yes...I forgot!
That is your job, Dear Dozy, just to keep me inline and informed in my dotage...
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I never thought of it quite like that but, yeah, I've certainly reached mine. :)
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The earthquakes in Cali are from eagles flapping their wings....
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Nah, The eagles caused the tsunami in Japan.
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Oh, I see the start of a debate here, serious and bitter...
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Oh that only happens at my home base in the Redwoods. When I am in So Cal...it is earthquakes. Mt. St, Helens was when I was VERY angry......
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Not bitter, Virginia. Yosey just won't admit that some of her relatives are chickens.
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Oh they are not bitter at all...I marinate them first.
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Cannibal!
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I am a carnivore
Through and through
Watch what you say
Or I will eat you.....

~~Yosey
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Oooooh! :D
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Best offer I've had all day, Virginia. ;)
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I am waiting........
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No. We live in a fallen world that is groaning for it's redemption. God doesn't put things on people.

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This is the type of naive observation that caused ancients to conjure up deities in the first place. The answer is No; large catastrophes and natural disasters can all be explained reasonably, through examination of the facts. No imaginary or supernatural beings need apply.

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Who would that be?

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Obviously, cookie, whichever deity you happen to think is the one true deity.
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nooooooooo. whether I believe in the "actual, real deity" or nit doesn't change who that is.
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it doesn't ''obviously'' have to be the ''one true deity'' why can't someone believe that there is several true deities.
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there is none so blind as he who will not see
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ok what ever
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each religion is equally possible, and equally improbable.
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Dear Darkmajinn,

Here is one for you...around 1628 BCE, a massive volcanic eruption created a dust cloud that wafted over Egypt, and it fits the Biblical description of the "plagues" which Moses used to intimidate a pharaoh into releasing the Hebrew slaves!


So, regarding the Q that may be behind your Q:
Even if all catastrophes can be explained by the natural laws of Dodgy’s Gaia (and that somewhat Australocentric, wing-flapping kookaburra), does that mean there is no God?

For me, no not at all. But you can have a complete philosophy of life with or without a deity. Buddhism, which recommends AGAINST the concept of God, has demonstrated this for 2500 years; giving us some of the greatest saints the world has ever seen, atheists all!

Me, however, well…I am devotional…totally in love with God, utterly personal, intimate…but I definitely go along with the Buddhists (and Gaia) in areas like your Q, because you get yourself into a sticky wicket when you try to blame the deity for catastrophes…

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interesting.
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Hi Deb, Hello Lechuza...
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hello.
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I've heard the phrase, but what exactly is meant by a "sticky wicket"?
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Hi Dear Noveltman,
Well it helps if you are old like me, and have international friends...because "sticky wicket" come from the British game of cricket! The wicket is what you guard with your bat, and when it rains that wicket gets sticky and difficult to work with...

So, by extension, whenever you find yourself in trouble it can get described as a sticky wicket; I thought Urban Dictionary had a quite lovely example, being:

"It's a bit of a sticky wicket, my girlfriend and my wife just met up at the pregnancy clinic..."
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sticky%20wicket

Plus I also found for you, an actual diagram of the cricket wicket that gets sticky when it rains!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cricket_Stumps_en.svg
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No

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It's this falling apart earth that we live in and everyone puts their hope in. We're going down, baby.

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Yes,God is pouring out his wrath on mankind,Wake up.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlB5je6MKUw&feature=share&list=FLlSTncz-j0EA3aUPT06DG6w

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and I was under the impression that your god was a forgiving and loving god, so much for that crazy idea.
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not likely, it is just random chance. anything that happens is based on the number mother nature rolls, and she doesn't play with loaded dice, she is a fair player.

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