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Where did all the matter and energy come from before the big bang?

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Nowhere! Oh yeah that makes so much sense!!! (not)...

The "big bang" never happened. It is a myth created by people who are retards (monkeys in other words).. The earth was created by an intelligent being (God)! I can find things wrong with "evolution" from the top of my head! But the Bible on other hand, has never been wrong once! NEVER!! So why would you waist your time believing a false myth, if you can believe a perfect truth?

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I'm atheist.
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Well you won't be when you die... There is a God, and he cares for you! Why would you turn him down?
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theres no god AT ALL. theres a yahweh though!
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That doesn't make sense! What religion are you??!?! You dot believe in God.....but you believe in yaweh? BUT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO SEND THE YAWEH.
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*Don't
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You know what's funny? I don't even know what "yahweh" (or whatever) is!

There IS A GOD and he loves you! Stop making it more confusing than it already is! God sent his only son to die on the cross for all mankind's sin! (John 3:16) you can have everlasting life!! All you have to do, Is believe that he died on the cross for our sins, and repent! He is everywhere! You can pray anytime, anywhere! What do you have to lose? NOTHING!!! so please decide the truth! :-)
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Hey look guys! The religious people are arguing things out like kids in Kindergarten!

Well, my Daddy says....
Well mine says ...and he's bigger than you, so,,,

Thank god I'm an atheist too.

That's a joke, the god bit (note for the yahoos....)
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I just facepalmed three times. "There is no god, but there is a yahweh." "God is supposed to send the yahweh." and a very devout Christian basically saying, "What's a yahweh?"

Let me clear this up. Yahweh was the name used for God in the Hebrew bible.
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Ok so Yahweh is kinda like the messiah.. Then you are Jewish? My great grandmother (who is still alive) believes that there will be a messiah (which I am guessing is "Yahweh") who will come and save us... But.. The messiah already came 2011 years ago... His name was Jesus! He died on the cross, and he saved us! You kinda missed the boat, but it's not to late!
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Yahweh is just another name for God. The original one, actually. And no, I'm deist. Also, it is christian belief that states that the savior will come again, and Jewish belief that states that he is yet to come.
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7 days could be 7 billion years in God time
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Depends on what you believe. I'm a deist, so I finds that it had to come from somewhere, hence an infinite force. I believe the official explanation is the it was an infinitesimal point with infinite mass.

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Possibly the end result of a universe imploding, or a puncture between two or more universes combining.

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They are getting closer and closer to finding the last particle which could answer our question of how old the universe is!

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Oh guess what?!? It is 6000-8000 years old!! And it has been proved! Sorry. I already know the answer. :-D
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The big bang could not possibly have produced life and living forms. It's a story fabricated by those who wish to discredit intelligent design.

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I think you mis-spelled 'unintelligent design'

You just lack imagination.
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Never happened, God made the world in six days and restedd on the seventh.

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7 days could be 7 billion years in God time
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Stephen Hawking in his book 'the Grand Design' says that cosmologists can now prove that before the big bang, there was nothing. Except for the circumstances that forced the inevitable creation of matter.

There is no need of gods to describe the start of the universe. They don't explain anything.

So, we all get to decide for ourselves whether to listen to the ramblings of priests and the Jesus-besotted, or to men who have actually studied it and proven each step to the world through science.

Easy decision, I would say.
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But I thought science had firmly stated that matter could be neither created nor destroyed?
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waldorff
Read the book, cobraplumber - it will expand your mind like no other..!
It's especially recommended for 'our religious brethren'
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Sounds like an interesting read, though I still find an infinite force to be required.
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In more detailed answer to copraplumber - Einstein did indeed give us the e=mc^2 formula, which accurately describes the behavior of the universe. But, at the time of the formation of the universe, physical laws like this did not exist.
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It's a model and theory, not proved.

I mis-spoke.
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I need to check that book out. Whether it changes my views or not (maybe it will, as that's the point of thinking about these things), it sounds like an interesting theory.
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One last point - the current models, that cosmologists are working to refine, states that a universe has zero net energy. This is because gravity, which appears to be much more fundamental than a mere field, has negative energy. So, a zero energy universe can spontaneously appear, and probably has, many times - there are thought to be 10^500 possible universes.
The energy must sum to zero in the universe but local areas of positive energy (planets, galaxies) can exist.

Matter formed because the universe was not completely uniform after the big bang. Not even time existed for this universe before the big bang.

This is not the random jottings of ignorant priests, but a model, based on previously tested models. It is intended as an accurate description, rather than an eternal truth.
God is totally redundant in this model - I confidently expect all the churches to close after the wider circulation of these ideas. Yes, that was a joke..
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Intriguing. The concept of negative energy had never occurred to me, but it seems plausible. The main catch for me is that all objects are finite, and something finite must have a beginning. The idea of finite things and infinity coexisting in the same universe seems illogical to me.
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I think you would get a lot out of Hawking's book. It does all seem 'out there' but as the concepts build up, it makes sense as a model.

It does require the ability to take wild leaps of imagination (no faith though) and some people are not going to be able to do that.
The concept of 'alternate histories' where, at the quantum level the history of a particle depends on the observer, is particularly interesting.

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By that, do you mean that it uses a lot of hypotheticals? I can appreciate that, since it often provides interesting trains of thought. One way or another, it's now on my reading list.
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