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Would it be a sin to get a tattoo of the cross on my back?

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I don't think it is a sin. I think the most important thing is for YOU to feel comfortable with it though. If you are not sure, then getting a tattoo on your back may not be the best thing. If there is a person or situation that you are dreading you may want to confront that head on before spending the time and money on such a thing. I suspect a parent or friend has created this idea and it may be a good thing to have a chat with that person about it before moving forward.

If you are asking just a general question, then I also think it is based on intent. I find it hard to imagine that a person who is genuinely trying to praise God will be viewed by God as a sin, literal or otherwise.

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It doesn't make sense to try and praise God by doing something God forbids.
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Again, I find it hard to have a faith in a God who is so petty as to get upset over a tattoo.
I also think the Bible was written by people, not God.
I also think that God (if we assume that Bible & God's word are the same thing) shows a lot of inconsistency in the Bible.
I do not know why you seem to take it so personal. Leave it between him and God. Who are you? The God police? Bible browbeater?

http://www.religioustattoos.net/Bible_Support/index.php
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Idk ....! But it would be cool :D follow me :)

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I feel as long as your not worshiping the cross your ok.Im a Christian and I have a cross tattoo on my back.I don't worship the cross,I worship the God that died on that cross for my sins. That's just me though:)

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No. It used to be very common for sailors in the navy to get a black cross tattooed on their backs, in the hopes that if and when they broke one of the ship's rules and the cat-o-nine-tails was used on them, whoever was wielding the cat would go easy on them -- for fear of striking the cross.

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Neh -- I just read a lot, and inevitably, some of it spills out. ;)
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Hey, ynp! Yup, that's me. I know it's not a terribly good photograph, but it's the best I have -- I'm not very photogenic. ;)
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It is a sin against God, as God explicitly forbids it: Leviticus 19, 28. How can you glorify God by doing what God forbids?

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Gosh, in all this time, I never realized that god wrote the bible.

He must have been so busy, what with universes to form and stuff.

That must have been a HECK of a lot of tablets.
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@waldorff: Two words: fax machine.
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Moses wrote the Pentateuch, and God instructed him on Sinai what to write. The only thing God Himself wrote was the first set of the Ten Commandments that Moses broke.
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What kind of God would make his tablets breakable? So God wasted his own time and effort? He might as well have used an Etch-A-Sketch.
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Disfigured - now you're being rational. You KNOW rational and religion are like the elephant and the mouse.. Rational scares the holy bejasus out of religion :))

No bed can contain 'em both.
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@Scottish - a fax machine would have been very useful, but I don't think they had the toner cartridges back then..
Ah well, back to tablets.

This could be another wonder of the world, like the pyramids. I wonder what happened to all them tablets - maybe, MAYBE, they built the pyramids out of them.

But, I wander...
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@waldorff: maybe the ink cartridges were biodegradable, so we just haven't found any of them. . .

On another note, I must beg to differ on the point about rationality and religion. While the Bible has definite problems (because, fax machines aside, it was set down by mortal men), belief in God doesn't preclude one from being thoughtful and rational. Just take a look at my bookshelves -- the Bible, the Qu'ran, and a book of Chassidic ballads sit right next to a book on relativity, one concerning the fourth (Euclidean) dimension, and another about quantum physics. Harmony between two worlds. . .
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I love the chassidic ballad
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Scottish - I believe religion and rational thought are not necessarily far apart.
But religion, at its core, is based on belief, not rational deduction.

While you can, and people do, build huge edifices of rational thought on religious concepts, it has no claim to validity, because its core is not rational.

People believed the earth was the center of the universe, and with great, impeccable rationality, fitted everything else into this view. But it was a house of cards - scientific research brought it crashing down.

That is what is happening with religion, right now. It's the age we live in. The age of the death of religion.

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I see your point, waldorff. And that's what I don't like about religious establishments -- they tend to have a hard time evolving, and stick to old concepts that, really, just don't work anymore. That's what happens when people take the Bible as literal, 100% accurate, and infallible.

However, this brings me to my own take on religion -- that, while I love to study the old writings, and I love having clever debates with priests about the meaning of the third line on the fiftieth page of The Confessions of Saint Augustine, and I love charting out what the hidden connotations of the Greek and Hebrew words of the original writings of the Bible were. . . that's really not what religion is about.

You're right that religion isn't based on rational induction and deduction, because it's not supposed to be. To me, religion is about simple faith, and love of God and fellowman. . . religion, at its heart, is something very simple and personal. Not something to base a government off of, or to chart the motion of the universe by -- but something very small and very beautiful, to be cultivated deep within the heart. It's really this why I take such exception to people who cram religion down the throats of others. . . because it's not supposed to *be* like that. Religion shouldn't be about fear and following a bunch of rules. What I always say is this: love God, love your fellowman, and act upon this love -- all the rest is commentary.
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That's just beautiful, Scottish. Wonderful sentiments and feelings.
I think, and hope, that sort of spiritual religion will live forever.

The rules-based religion, which requires unquestioning obedience to archaic writings and ideas - that is dying, slowly but surely. I've seen a difference in my lifetime. There will be pockets, of course, but the mass of the people will throw off this yoke.

As I mentioned in another thread, people look to television and movies now for moral guidance, rather than the church. I'm not sure that's a good thing, mind.

I am happy you have your type of religion, Scottish, it expands you, guides and feeds you.

The other sort - bah.....!!!!

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You know, waldorff, I never expected to really agree with you on anything of a spiritual nature -- but I think I agree with everything you just said. :) (Especially concerning the other sort.)
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It's not that surprising that we broadly agree - we were brought up within 200 miles or so of each other (and about 200 years apart!)

I'm not at all spiritual. Nothing - nada - that's why I'm this rational engineer type.

If I believed in crystals, my stuff wouldn't work. In firmware design, you have to be totally logical... Otherwise when somebody touches the screen, the spot appears in the wrong place.

Then people get mad, and I get fired. Which actually would not be totally bad right now.....
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Lior may have a point. Lev 19:28 reads: "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

Just another prohibition which could also be used to condemn those sinners who write phone numbers on their hands.. And quite obviously all the Emo cutters are going to hell. It sure is a restrictive religion.

Go ahead and get your tat (though It'd be better where you can see it). After all, as Major Charles Emerson Winchester III said, "It's the common man's way of sponsoring art."

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Uh, Dozy, that's going to be a problem. . . whenever I need to remember anything, I *always* write it on my hand. Is this a problem? Now I'm worried. . . ;)
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Yeah, Harper. But don't worry, Waldorff and I will save you a spot next to the BBQ.
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I don't know, Dozy, I mean, it might get too warm for my guitar. What if the neck warps? I'd better start carrying paper.
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That's ridiculous: writing something on your hand is removable. A tattoo is not. The Hebrew original is "k'tovet ka'aka" which is clearly a tattoo, not just any writing.
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Lior, we are 100% in agreement. It's ridiculous. The whole CONCEPT of religion is ridiculous yet some people allow it to dominate their lives.
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Hi Yos. It's one of the two or three best TV series ever made. We bought the whole set a year or two back. Wonderful humour and very genuine pathos.
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How the heck did tattoos become Mash?

With all due respect, I liked Mash, but it was a bit heavy handed and judgmental sometimes - sort of like Star Trek. It sold a philosophy that, really, most everybody already agreed with. I found it a bit full of itself and, dare I say it - POMPOUS! There, not only say, but shout!

American life is very conformist. And it's through television and the movies that the people are told how to behave.

Big Brother is a bunch of hack screen-writers.
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First things first. Radar wanted a tattoo and a whole episode was written about it.

Waldorff, for better or worse, the world learns from TV and the movies. I agree that we (and undoubtedly Americans) gain our perception of life in the States via fiction and the silver screen, but it doesn't stop there. We also get our perceptions of acceptable behaviour, right and wrong, justice and courage that way. Not everybody learns how to interpret what they see, and there's the problem.

Certainly Alan Alda's character could be very pompous at times but that was intentional and, in my opinion, well done. By and large he was just a big, loveable bear and he made everybody laugh (in spite of his dreadful Groucho Marx imitations). As to the whole show being pompous, I can't agree.

Big Brother as an alliance of screen writers? Absolutely -- and a brilliant iodea! That's clear from the soaps, and most of the crime shows. But in the case of MASH I wouldn't apply a term like "hack".
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Ok, Dozy, I said I enjoyed Mash (I think) but... It was a bit - well, heavy handed and self-regarding at times.

Gosh, I'm arguing with EVERYBODY today. It's fun!
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Always ;-)
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Yes, I can and I do just glaze and watch stuff on the Telly.

Right now, there's not a lot going on. The missus is glued to Downton Abbey, I'm glued, like you, to Ask.com.
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I dunno.... After Lior's comments, I'd REALLY be reconsidering my religious ideas... Atheism seems really attractive right now.

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Good grief, waldorff, they're down on EVERYTHING -- and so many of them feel so bloody self-righteous about it. It's not much of a religion, is it.
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Actually, Lior's Jewish. . .
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But Leviticus holds true for Christians, too. I once wrote a short piece about a dog trying to get into Heaven and used Leviticus ("Them's the regulationss") to refuse him entry.

http://dozyskaleidoscope.blogspot.com/2011/09/do-you-know-any-good-dog-stories.html
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Blech -- Leviticus is full of bloody mis-translations, and what's not mis-translated has all too often been mis-interpreted. The Bible uses lots of metaphors, and even ministers (even priests) misunderstand them. 'Course, maybe it's me that's misunderstanding some of them, but what the hell. . . God knows who I am. . .
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Well, I wouldn't want to be Jewish then, if that's how they think.

Good Grief man, where's the humanity? The humour?

Lior just quotes some bible verse as if that's God's word and that's the end of it. Such thinking would have kept us in caves. In fact, it did keep some of us in (mental) caves, didn't it?

Bloody parsons.....


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@waldorff: SO TRUE! That's why I'm always trying to get people to understand that the Bible, as a very, very old book, has mistakes in it. . . but not everyone is willing to see that. . .
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As a religious person, Scottish, you are a breath of fresh air...

Here, in the US, many people cling to the Bible as if it was the only thing keeping them afloat in a sea of sin and iniquity.

What is this - fear? Poor education? The USA's religious inheritance?

Beats me, but it seems like we need some changes around here...
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I don't know, but it kills me. . . I mean, I read the Bible, it has some wise and beautiful sayings in it, but *get real* -- the most recent parts are two-thousand years old! And it's so steeped in metaphors and parables, you can't just take it all literally. I think the belief that the Bible is infaillable stems from a lack of study. . . and not enough rock 'n roll. . .
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Beautiful, Harper. I can see a new religious movement sweeping Scotland combining Wesleyism and heavy metal. You'll never get the Catholics to be a part of it. That guy in Rome is too hide-bound.

Tom Lehrer tried to lift the fun index with his Vatican Rag, but it never took off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0
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Yes, that's the solution - more acceptance of a fallible Bible and more Rock and Roll - and a bit more Opera... :))
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....and Mash replays..
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Well, Dozy, that's a lot of the reason why I'm not a member of the Roman Catholic church -- I'm Celtic Catholic, doncha know. I tried going along with the pope and all, but. . . well. . . that's sort of like the whole establishment that rock 'n roll rebels *against*. The Roman church has got too many rules and not enough individualism. . . and, you know, they didn't really appreciate my what-the-hell-I'm-doing-it-how-I-want attitude towards life. . .
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And, waldorff, that is totally the solution. ;)
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Got Black Sabbath today! Starting tomorrow, I live Black Sabbath in my car. After a week, I'll either have gone totally round the bend, or I'll be a believer.

Risky business, Black Sabbathing....
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YAHOO! You'll have to tell me all what's on that CD -- has it got "Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath" and "War Pigs"? (Those are two of my favourites). And if it's a greatest hits album it's probably got "N.I.B." and "Iron Man". . .
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Yep, got all of them..

I'm doing all my talking today, 'cos after tomorrow morning's drive, I won't be able to hear a darn thing...

Better take a pad and pencil around with me...

Mrs W is laughing at me.... not sure why....
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Ok, this morning I don't hear too well. I also didn't need to have my heater on in the car, in spite of VERY inclement weather.

Black Sabbath! I feel a little like when I discovered Mountain Biking - where have I BEEN?

This is good stuff. I'll delay getting more enthusiastic until I've heard more, and several times. The music's GREAT, not sure the many references to Satan and Lucifer are my cup of tea...

We will see - more later. Thanks Scottish for plugging me in!
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MWAHAHAHA! *evil grin, rubs hands together gleefully* I'm in shock, waldorff! I didn't honestly expect you to like any of Black Sabbath's stuff -- I really just thought you'd listen to about five seconds of the screaming guitars and pitch the CD out the window.

They *do* make a lot of religious references, though contrary to popular belief, Black Sabbath really isn't a Satanic band at all. Actually (though they haven't always led good Christian lives) all of the original band members were very religious. (Ozzy really does wear that cross for a reason.) Then again, the Christian-type messages of some of their songs might not be your cup of tea either. . . but the guitars are still good, right?
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Hey Yos, it's too early to give a recommendation, but the music IS great. So yes, I think you should give it a go. If you DON'T like it, tell Scottish!
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..... But don't forget, she's a shy, sensitive soul - don't be too hard on her...

(Waldorff ducks and exits quickly on all fours...)
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@ynp: Yes, waldorff is right. . . give Black Sabbath a try, but please, don't be upset with me if you don't like it. . . no one seems to understand that I'm terribly shy and dainty -- it's just that I get carried away with my electric caber sometimes. Actually, I think waldorff needs a closer look at it right now. . .

*swings caber over shoulder and goes off to find waldorff*
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Waldorff will be lying low for a while.

Maybe a long while... Salads are not very robust, you know..
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Friday indeed, ynp! I for one am going to enjoy myself in the rain we're expecting.

Enjoy BS ....!
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Enjoy the hike, yos - we'll probably do a hike ourselves on Sunday, so long as it ain't teeming it down..

Although, I actually don't mind the rain - you know, you just dress for it.... I wear a leaf bag.
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as was stated before "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28 KJV).

lets break down this verse, in the bible this area is talking about things we shall not do like the Pagans of the time... and in the time God is saying do not trim your beard like the Pagans and do not cut of your flesh for the dead... the dead being of sin referring to the Pagans of the time bc they worshiped a lord not God not to print any marks referring to the marks of the Pagans...

with that being said I agree that it is ok as long as long as it is not for worship... and for Lior, just word for thought.. the verse u quoted states not to print in your words that would mean one whom writes on there body would also be wrong and most churches put stamps and stickers on children are you saying all these churches are sinning ... think about these verses and read the Bible....
this is words of my own and I believe in Prayer... My best option is to Pray and ask God he will provide you the answer... and always remember only worship GOD...

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